ext_33427 ([identity profile] degrees.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2007-12-07 04:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #336 ]


⌈ Secret Post #336 ⌋

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Out again, Christmas shopping/making a buttload of cookies! You know what to do!

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[identity profile] lil-lost-kitten.livejournal.com 2007-12-09 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm... you're probably going to hit me... but the 'racist' statements in this are very-much subject to interpretation. I'm not wanting to start an argument and I fully respect your views, I just want to get a word in before this whole thread erupts in utter wank and silliness.

I think the first statement is pretty-much harmless. It is very patriotic, but still can be seen as simply cultural pride. It may just be that he's proud of his country and wants to convey that. I'm not a supremacist, I don't even have a huge amount of love for Britain. But it's still my homeland and I have a right to be proud of some of its unique differences to other countries. This does not mean that 'my country is better than yours'.

As for the second statement, whilst echoing a similar hard-line evangelical view prevalent in the USA, is not quite the same. Sure Gackt is obviously quite religious and eager to put across his view on such things. However, calling this 'racist' is technically wrong. If anything, this attitude would be described as being religiously discriminate (as opposed to race discriminate). However, it is not fair to compare Bushido to Christianity in that way. I am sure there are some fanatical sects in the Bushido culture (there are bound to be in any religion). But it's not as if he's saying his way is the only way (as many American Evangelicals would). He seems to be putting forward a suggestion that kids are not being taught the correct morals these days and this is because religion is becoming detached from everyday life. He is being no-more religiously fanatic than your everyday concerned Christian, Muslim or Jew. He is also protesting the growing Political Correctness of our current culture. I do not agree with his view that religion would solve this, but this statement still does not make him a racist.

The point is, his views may have some aspects similar to those of the right-wing supremacists and whack-jobs, but this does not necessarily mean he is one.
While appreciating Gackt's music and his good-looks, I still think the guy is terribly up-himself. He's vain. That's a fact. It was wrong of him to complain about Yoshiki. He is obviously quite a jealous man as well. In this aspect I am in complete agreement with you. However, calling him a 'racist' is not wholly accurate.

[identity profile] pretentioustfu.livejournal.com 2007-12-09 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
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Hmmm... you're probably going to hit me... but the 'racist' statements in this are very-much subject to interpretation. I'm not wanting to start an argument and I fully respect your views, I just want to get a word in before this whole thread erupts in utter wank and silliness.


As if it hasn't already? *laughs* But I won't hit you, I'm not the S-type ~_^. And you do make some good points, yet. . .


In almost any other country or contextual setting, I'd agree the first quote isn't necessarily racist, but at worst nationalistic patriotism. However, in Japan, racism and nationalistic patriotism are inextricably linked, AND this is the same sort of thing the racist right-wing nutjobs there have spewed for years. When it's coming from a sound stage rather than a sound truck, it's just that much more sad and stupid.


The problem is that in Japan, all of these issues are tied together. Since it's believed that only "the Japanese" (which doesn't include anyone from Zainichi Koreans to Chinese to anyone with non-Japanese national origin or appearance features) can truly practice Shinto or Bushido, that automatically makes them "superior." If the beliefs opened up, then this would not be racist, but it's like if fundamentalist Christianity had an "only white people may apply" sign on it.

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While appreciating Gackt's music and his good-looks, I still think the guy is terribly up-himself. He's vain. That's a fact. It was wrong of him to complain about Yoshiki. He is obviously quite a jealous man as well. In this aspect I am in complete agreement with you.


*nods* I think he's very pretty, and I loved his music up until 2005 when he seemed to take a fast dive off the slope and into the crap pile (seriously, if you hear his recorded vocals from SKIN, you'll see why Yoshiki got so mad: Gackt wasn't even trying and did things like tilting his head toward the ceiling that made what voice he had *worse,* IMO, and let's not even mention the disaster that was "No ni Saku Hana no you ni").

But yeah, that loss of actual talent and apparently even of his drive to "try" is what made me see him as "worse," since yes, Yoshiki is the king of angst and the prince(ss) of attention whores on occasion (LOL dolls of himself and amethyst blood and X condoms, though he's toned it down a bit since the X days) but he's capable of backing up all the self-promotion and attention-seeking with true talent and seems to want to give of himself for the fans, which Gackt, anymore, just doesn't seem like.

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However, calling him a 'racist' is not wholly accurate.


Maybe, maybe not, but I hope you can see why I think he is now ^_^