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Yeah, sure, I would agree. But that's pretty much the prevailing wisdom with censorship in the modern age (no sex, no explicit violence, no drug abuse? it's okay for kids) and I have to take averages into account when I make a general claim, right? I can't really work with someone's individual morality or parenting style unless I'm given specifics.

I can't say I strongly agree or disagree with those rules or anyone's rules regarding what a child should be allowed to consume, either. The reality is that the majority of our entertainment is based on ...well, pretty base, horrible acts. Murder, mainly. Whether it's part of our nurture or part of our nature is a debate for sociologists, of which I am not one.

I would really argue that the tone of the movie (lighthearted, silly, not serious) is what makes it a kid's movie more than anything else.

I would really argue that the tone of the movie (lighthearted, silly, not serious) is what makes it a kid's movie more than anything else.

I completely and totally disagree with you. Not sure if it would be possible to disagree more.

There's no law saying that adult movies have to be serious and can't be goofy or fun. None at all. There's no reason you can't make lighthearted movies for adults.

It's more than that. It's not an "adults aren't allowed to have fun" thing, it's the fact that that overall tone is one where dirty jokes are made in innocuous ways (like you find in kids movies), violence and death is offscreen or very glossed-over (no blood, no gore), sexual references are clever or veiled, and the ending is textbook happy.

The people who made it were smart enough to realize that the characters in it (Groot, Rocket) were going to attract kids, and they made a movie that could support that. That means the target audience, in part, is children.

Hence the rating. If it was solely intended for adults they wouldn't have bothered with the PG-13 and went straight with R. Hell, they left out a scene from the movie that you can still find in the trailers because Rocket grabs his crotch. If that's not toning something down for children in the audience I don't know what is.

Wait. So, do you think that only R-rated movies are "movies for adults?"

Not at all. Someone posted the example of Pacific Rim as another PG-13 movie, which I think is pretty fantastic at conveying my point.

Pacific Rim had scenes of gore, a tense/fearful atmosphere, explicit death scenes that would legitimately scare a kid, scenes of mayhem that were drawn out and played very seriously... Just the scene of Mako running through the streets of Japan pursued by a kaiju would be enough for me to not take a child under 10 to see it.

PR had a very adult, serious tone. Total opposite of what was done with GotG, and a very good comparison for why I'd call it a movie that was intended for younger children.

The crotch grabbing scene is in the movie. I just saw the movie again today and it's definitely there. It's in the scene after the Guardians change into their Ravagers uniforms and are all walking down the hall together.

Weird. It was edited out of the version I watched. I was expecting it, and looking for it, and it was cut right out. I remember it because I was like, "Well that's odd." as soon as it didn't occur.

I wonder if it's a regional thing.

I was starting to wonder what movie you watched, because the one I watched had plenty of blood, gore, curse words, etc.

It was a crotch grab? I thought it was more like, "Damn, this spandex shit is riding up."

Crotch grab in the sense that he grabbed his crotch to pull the suit down as it was making him uncomfortable in that area.

Oh, okay. I thought I'd missed a Michael Jackson moment there.

LOL, nope. Though, that would have been hilarious.}:P

Yup, it was in the version we watched as well. We thought it was funny.

All of those things are definitely evidence that they made a choice to make sure it was accessible for kids. I don't disagree with that. We're cool. I don't think it makes it a kids' movie - I still think it's an action movie that's acceptable kids - but I agree that they made those choices.

The thing that I was disagreeing with was the idea that something being lighthearted, silly, and not serious automatically makes it a kid's movie. I don't think it's a toning down. I don't think the changes that they needed to make to make it accessible to kids included the humor of it. I think it could have been a perfectly fine grownup movie with more or less the same tone. In fact, I think it's a pretty decent grownup movie as is, but that's besides the point. They toned down references to sex and violence but I don't think it should ever have been some grim and gritty thing and I don't think that would have made it either more adult or a better film.

But I imagine that was just a slip of the tongue so no harm done, sorry for jumping on you for something I'm sure was said innocuously.

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