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(Anonymous) 2014-08-13 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)(Sorry, can't give you chapter and verse, I don't have that stuff memorized.)
So yeah, Jesus' messages were usually something like (a) Be a better person, and (b) Don't be a dick.
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Jesus was smart, yo.
Thanks for this comment! I only remembered part of that verse.
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(Anonymous) 2014-08-14 12:27 am (UTC)(link)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery
FWIW, I am not a bibliomancer (i.e., one who believes every word of the Bible is "God-breathed" and it is all 100% literal), so I have no issues with this passage having possibly been added later. I contributed a few other verses below in the comments, that support OP's main point, without the need for "the pericope" at all.
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(Anonymous) 2014-08-14 12:22 am (UTC)(link)https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+7%3A36-45&version=NRSVA
Luke 7:36-45New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
A Sinful Woman Forgiven
36 One of the Pharisees asked Jesus[a] to eat with him, and he went into the Pharisee’s house and took his place at the table. 37 And a woman in the city, who was a sinner, having learned that he was eating in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster jar of ointment. 38 She stood behind him at his feet, weeping, and began to bathe his feet with her tears and to dry them with her hair. Then she continued kissing his feet and anointing them with the ointment. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw it, he said to himself, ‘If this man were a prophet, he would have known who and what kind of woman this is who is touching him—that she is a sinner.’ 40 Jesus spoke up and said to him, ‘Simon, I have something to say to you.’ ‘Teacher,’ he replied, ‘speak.’ 41 ‘A certain creditor had two debtors; one owed five hundred denarii,[b] and the other fifty. 42 When they could not pay, he cancelled the debts for both of them. Now which of them will love him more?’ 43 Simon answered, ‘I suppose the one for whom he cancelled the greater debt.’ And Jesus[c] said to him, ‘You have judged rightly.’ 44 Then turning towards the woman, he said to Simon, ‘Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has bathed my feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not stopped kissing my feet.
Footnotes:
[a]Luke 7:36 Gk him
[b]Luke 7:41 The denarius was the usual day’s wage for a labourer
[c]Luke 7:43 Gk he
If you read back a little earlier, before this bit, there's one of my preferred passages, which is basically Jesus saying to the religious authorities "You're damning Me if I do, and damning Me if I don't, when I AM seriously doing THE WILL OF YHVH HERE DUDES." (I paraphrase.)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+7%3A33-35&version=NRSVA
Luke 7:33-35New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, “He has a demon”; 34 the Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, “Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax-collectors and sinners!” 35 Nevertheless, wisdom is vindicated by all her children.’
(Just for reference, Jesus is quoting Proverbs 1:20-33 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+1%3A20-33&version=NRSVA)
This is the main one that gets thrown around when this discussion comes up, though it is a bit shorter:
Mark 2:15-17New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
15 And as he sat at dinner[a] in Levi’s[b] house, many tax-collectors and sinners were also sitting[c] with Jesus and his disciples—for there were many who followed him. 16 When the scribes of[d] the Pharisees saw that he was eating with sinners and tax-collectors, they said to his disciples, ‘Why does he eat[e] with tax-collectors and sinners?’ 17 When Jesus heard this, he said to them, ‘Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick; I have come to call not the righteous but sinners.’
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[a]Mark 2:15 Gk reclined
[b]Mark 2:15 Gk his
[c]Mark 2:15 Gk reclining
[d]Mark 2:16 Other ancient authorities read and
[e]Mark 2:16 Other ancient authorities add and drink
That's the main passage that gets thrown around a lot when these discussions come up.
The bit mentioned elsewhere in this thread, about the woman accused of committing adultery, is actually thought to be a later addition to some of the texts. I don't know, I've never been one for bibliomancy (where every word of the Bible is literally true; um, NO) so I'm OK with that passage not being "divinely inspired" -- still contains a good example of how the religious authorities contrasted with actual religion, however. (And is a good example of how so-called Christian "religious authorities" act, today, IMNSHO.)
Then we have the parables, of course, and there's the whole idea the authorities had, that any physical infirmity in a child, was somehow caused by the sin of the parents (think the man blind from birth), and so "sinners" covered a pretty broad category, back then, which was the point.
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(Anonymous) 2014-08-14 08:14 am (UTC)(link)I would SO read that translation... *yearns*
Hey, when there are things like the Glasgow Gospel out there ("The scriptures tell us the father says: Ah thought ma son wis deid – an he’s come back tae life. He wis lost, an noo he’s come hame.’"), why not?