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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-08-13 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #2780 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2780 ⌋

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Re: Magic Possibilities

[personal profile] cushlamochree 2014-08-13 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the basic idea in a lot of number or letter magic systems is that there's a fundamental connection between the language in question and the basic structure of the universe, right? So for language, the idea is that some language or alphabet is the basic alphabet of the universe and that there's a direct, one-to-one correlation between the words used to describe the thing and the thing itself - often the idea will be that the word is more real than the thing itself.

So then in a number-based system it would operate in a similar way. The universe, in such a system, would operate in a basically geometric, numerological way. The numbers and the systems of equations correspond directly to the nature of the universe. So for instance the numbers might all correspond directly to concepts - to beauty or wisdom, or to colors or seasons or different kinds of things - and then elaborated through manipulations and combinations of those concepts in different ways. Or perhaps you want to focus on equations as defining fundamental truths, instead of numbers, but that seems like it'd be trickier and harder to figure out, because I'm not sure that we see equations in the same way, you know?
nyxelestia: Rose Icon (Default)

Re: Magic Possibilities

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-08-13 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
This reminds me of a Doctor Who episode, the one where the Doctor and Martha meet Shakespeare. The witch villains in this world use words to describe and manipulate the universe in the same way "everyone else uses math".

If you look at physics, it basically boils down to using numbers and equations and math to describe the universe. Maybe Jaybie can use this view of the universe and the cosmos for their basis of magic.
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Re: Magic Possibilities

[personal profile] cushlamochree 2014-08-13 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, pretty sure the witches in that episode are on the magic side of 'indistinguishable from magic'.

I think there's a difference between the physics view and the magic view: in physics (at least as I understand, as someone who's not really a physicist or a mathematician) numbers, equations, and math are a description of the universe. In a lot of magical systems, numbers, and equations, and math are the actual way the universe works.
nyxelestia: Rose Icon (Default)

Re: Magic Possibilities

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-08-14 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
This would depend on which kind of physicist you talk to. I know a lot of people involved in quantum physics see it as "math is the universe, the universe is math", with things like numbers and equations just being something like the human transcription of the universe.