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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-08-13 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #2780 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2780 ⌋

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a_potato: (Default)

Re: Because the Bible doesn't mean jackshit to contemporary "Christian values".

[personal profile] a_potato 2014-08-13 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been trying to think of something to say, but I think you've already touched every salient point.

The one thing I would add is that the Bible does actually have quite a bit to say about how practitioners should negotiate their sexuality, so Christian notions of purity, while generally misguided, haven't come totally out of left field.
nyxelestia: Rose Icon (Default)

Re: Because the Bible doesn't mean jackshit to contemporary "Christian values".

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-08-14 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
It does, but a many of those values are contradicted by other parents of the Bible. Meanwhile, the vehemence of Christian obsession with sexual purity is due at least partially to mistranslation.

(The original four gospel accounts that mention Jesus' mother use a term to mean a young, unmarried woman, in an time when this wasn't inherently synonymous with virginity; later languages/translations/cultural contexts, though, translated 'maiden' as 'virgin', leading to the myth of the Virgin Mary.)
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Re: Because the Bible doesn't mean jackshit to contemporary "Christian values".

[personal profile] a_potato 2014-08-14 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
To be fair, there are a lot of things in the Bible that are contradicted by other parts of the Bible. It's very, very difficult to both take a Bible-based approach and be consistent.

Most of the Christians I've come across who are concerned with purity don't reference the Virgin Mary at all. They tend to pull from the Pentateuch, Timothy, Titus, and Corinthians, and while Timothy and Titus can be argued against on the notion that many scholars consider them forgeries, one can't argue away everything that appears in the other two. It is true, however, that a lot of popular conceptions are based on either mistranslation, culturally-biased modernization (e.g. the addition of the word "homosexuality" to now oft-quoted verses), or pure bullshit (King James version fans, I'm looking at you).
nyxelestia: Rose Icon (Default)

Re: Because the Bible doesn't mean jackshit to contemporary "Christian values".

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-08-14 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
True, but in many ways, that's the point: almost any religious document can be interpreted in any way that suits the "user"/culture. Hell, any influential document period (look at all the debates in America about the Constitution).

And yeah, I tend to rope Catholics into Christianity when I say Christians, so I probably should have mentioned that.

(Also - people are adding the word homosexuality to Bible verses? What?!)
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Re: Because the Bible doesn't mean jackshit to contemporary "Christian values".

[personal profile] a_potato 2014-08-14 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
I think the overall takeaway is that it's nearly impossible for humans to be objective. Try as we might, we're always influenced in some way by our own cognitive biases. But...I think that might be just this side of veering off into a tangent.

And yeah! There are passages in Corinthians and Timothy where homosexuality was added only in recent translations (the argument, of course, is that the verses were implying homosexuality to begin with).
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Re: Because the Bible doesn't mean jackshit to contemporary "Christian values".

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-08-14 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
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Re: Because the Bible doesn't mean jackshit to contemporary "Christian values".

[personal profile] a_potato 2014-08-14 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. I know.