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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-08-16 03:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #2783 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2783 ⌋

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Re: terry pratchett misogyny

(Anonymous) 2014-08-17 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
Who has their attractiveness as the only significant aspect of their character? No, seriously. Even Conina, all the way back in Colour of Magic, had a lot more going on than that. The only characters who are purely defined by their looks are usually specific parodies of particularly vanity-obsessed archetypes, like Christine in Masquerade. Everyone else has actual story, backstory, plot and personal demons to face, and almost nobody is there purely to look pretty.

He also has a very wide range of female characters, not just physically but in terms of personalities and fields of expertise. We've got watchmen, soldiers, heroes, cooks, caretakers, witches, queens, governesses, civil rights activists, political manipulators (including one who trained Vetinari), reporters, forensic alchemists, actresses, military leaders, dragon tamers, seamstresses (of either kind), beggars, seers, professional church goers (although that's probably more of a hobby of Mrs Cake's than anything), revolutionaries, medics, prophets, professional villains, valkyries, musicians, eldritch abominations ... I mean, we're not short of variety.

There's also the fact that romance and stereotypical attractiveness aren't one-to-one on the Disc either. Considering that one of the longest-standing and happiest marriages in the books is between a foul-tempered skinny watchman and a woman who was bald, armoured, roughly spherical, stinking of dragon and terrifyingly sexual when he first met her (alright, she was talking about breeding dragons, but still). There's no looking down on women for having sex with anyone and everyone that takes their fancy - given that Nanny Ogg is the undisputed matriarch and possibly de facto ruler of a mountain kingdom by dint of a very adventurous youth, arguably it's even rewarded. There's a canon lesbian couple which, while the source of a lot of confusion for several characters, isn't frowned on or disapproved of at all, and also isn't the only facet of the characters involved (tragic backstory, pyromania, psychological damage of abuse, and surprisingly competent soldiering being the other significant ones).

There's also no looking down on professional sex workers, either, since the seamstresses guild is genuinely portrayed as not only one of the most powerful guilds going, it's also repeatedly been shown to be on the side of heroes (or well, Vetinari and the Watch, but in Ankh-Morpork it's arguably the same thing), up to and including being a founding element of a revolutionary 'republic' in the backstory, and having two of the coolest enforcers in the books (the Agony Aunts rock).

I just ... don't think that an accusation of misogyny holds well for the Disc? Women get to do everything and be everything, even things usually associated with men, and they get to do it while being every size, shape, species, personality type and sexual orientation on the Disc.
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Re: terry pratchett misogyny

[personal profile] tabaqui 2014-08-17 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
ALL of what you said. Discworld women rock.

Re: terry pratchett misogyny

(Anonymous) 2014-08-17 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
Well said, thank you.

Re: terry pratchett misogyny

(Anonymous) 2014-08-17 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Very well said. Of all the fantasy authors I've read, Terry Pratchett is one of the last I'd ever label as misogynist.