[ SECRET POST #2788 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2788 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

I'm torn, because I felt like her figure in the book was only there to make her more pathetic.

[bio_obscura]

This. We didn't need another "Haha, look at the horrible and sexually voracious fat woman" character.

[sarillia]

Yeah, if there were plenty of fat women in the media who had good roles and were supposed to be attractive and admirable, that'd be different. I don't want people in marginalized groups to never have villain or pathetic roles ever. But I think we need to balance things out more before I'm really comfortable with a role like this.

[ginainthekingsroad]

Yeah, I agree with this. Lysa's weight is significant because it enforces her pathetic qualities: her obsessive nature about Robin/pregnancy/breastfeeding, and her depression over her unhappy marriage and then the unwanted suitors (the thought any suitor would only want her position, not her personally). There's also a hint that it relates to the Vale's isolation/neutrality as well, in that through a tough Autumn with a war on, she's "unaffected" in appearance (ie, not starved). It's also coded onto characters like Fat Walda and Wyman Manderly; and then with Sam it's kind of defied.

Also, in a roughly medieval setting, being thin is not necessarily a positive thing the way it is now; although I know that's not really addressed from a cultural standpoint in Westeros (I think it is a little in the Slavers' Bay stuff?).

[sarillia]

I think people tend to exaggerate the preferences of people in the medieval era. It's true that appearing well-fed was a sign of wealth and so being bigger was looked on more favorably than now, but that's only up to a point. There are still fat characters who are figures of ridicule in medieval literature.

[ginainthekingsroad]

Oh I agree, which is why I mentioned it just as kind of an afterthought. This is all heavily skewed to the negative presentation anyway. And even if it is portrayed as a slight positive, having wealth and weight won't make these characters any happier or even any more secure in the coming Winter.

[sarillia]

Yeah it was more of a general thought I've had on the subject for a while than a response to what you said specifically. I have a bad habit of doing that that I should probably work on.

[(Anonymous)]

Up to a point, but that point varied depending on your social class, too. A fat baker or butcher was considered a good thing! A fat king was ridiculed because he wasn't fighting and was living off his people.

[sarillia]

Good point. I shouldn't replace one universal statement that I disagree with with a new universal statement.