[ SECRET POST #2790 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2790 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I can stand criticism of Moffat, even intense criticism of him.

The thing that I don't like is that it feels like, in large parts of fandom, it's forbidden to enjoy Doctor Who under his watch, especially post-season 6. It's the pervasive and all-encompassing negativity, where if you liked season 7 and you're looking forward to season 8 you literally have to have brain damage or something, that's frustrating to me.

[(Anonymous)]

This is ridiculous. The latest seasons have too much timey-wimey stuff, but for god's sake, it's not like RTD's were much better.

[skippydelicious]

Still yet to see anything that tops Dobby the House Doctor or Tinkerbell-Jesus Doctor in the horrendously bad league. Or the Azorbaloff running down the street in his speedos. Then there was Fear Her, or the farting Slitheen. All of those happened during RTD's run. Nothing has yet to come close to the badness of those.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. ITA.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see your point.

But what I like about RTD's writing is that it made me care about the characters and for me that is what Moffat's writing lacks.

(I guess what I'm trying to say is that 'bad' and 'good' are subjective.
Also, I kind of liked the cheesiness, over-the-topness and childish jokes and monsters. :P)

[skippydelicious]

I did not care about Rose at all after the Mid-Season Cybermen two parter in series two. Her arc was completely played out and just tedious after that, especially all the comebacks. Can't say I cared much about the people in Love&Monsters or Fear Her at all either.

Now I'll agree Moffat does tend to rely a little bit too much on telling (my problem with the Christmas show was too much narration and montaging, not enough action), but I can't say he is bad at making me feel about the characters. In fact I think he is even better about making me care about the bit players than RTD ever was. RTD was far too partial to using bit characters as cannon fodder and expecting me to care about them just because he gave them some perfunctory lines to speak.

[(Anonymous)]

Funny you should mention Rose, because I actually did not care much for her. (Or her relationship with the Doctor for that matter.)

I think we'll have to agree to disagree which goes hand in hand with what I said about words like 'good' and 'bad' being subjective.

Sometimes it's very hard to pinpoint why something does or doesn't work for you, the general you. I've learned to cherry pick, gloss over the bits I don't like and count my blessings when something pushes most of my buttons. (And not just when it comes to DW.)

[(Anonymous)]

I fully agree and this is even while I don't enjoy Moffat Who very much, I don't want RTD back either. But where RTD got annoying crazy, I find Moffat's run genuinely boring. RTD could be really, really bad, but it was an entertaining kind of train-wreck bad in the eps that he really lost it (watching shit like the series 4 finale or the end of time with a couple of friends and a pizza is ridiculous fun!). But while Moffat's storytelling never quite reaches the lows of RTD, his bad is simply uninspiring, convuluted, boring, soulless ... I've sat throuh the atrocious year of RTD specials, and stared in horror at Tinkerbell Jesus, and fart Aliens, and whatever most parts of series 4 smoked ... but series 6 and 7 made me quit watching. I'd rather have something campy, bad but entertaining, than mind-numbing boredom and characters I can't arse myself to care about. Maybe I'll look into series 8 one day when the fans I know IRL stop talking about it so much and the DVDs are available for cheap (because I really like Capaldi), but until then I'll regard Moffat's run as worse than RTD's as a whole...

[(Anonymous)]

This! I say this as someone not in Who fandom looking in. When RTD was at the helm I remember him getting so much hate and criticism...fans will never be happy. I'm not saying that either aren't deserving of some criticism but it seems people just want to be haters.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes this.

[philstar22]

This. And its the making out as if Moffat hate is the "right" way to do Doctor Who and as if you can't disagree and actually like or even prefer his era.

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny, because the Doctor Who fandom in my country has it the other way around. Like RTD and you're brain damaged. Hate on Moffat and you're some kind of SJW scum who doesn't care about the show but only meaningless social agendas (and don't even mention a possible female Doctor!). Liking or criticising both? NOOOOOOOOPE! Pick a side!

[philstar22]

I haven't seen that, but it sounds equally obnoxious. I really don't understand what is so hard to understand for some people about opinions being opinion and letting everyone like and dislike what they want in peace.

[(Anonymous)]

Liking or criticising both? NOOOOOOOOPE! Pick a side!

The (annoying part of) DW fandom in a nutshell. 'If you're not with us, you're against us!'

Whatever happened to 'live and let live'...

[(Anonymous)]

This. I think this is pretty much what the OP meant by their secret too.

[(Anonymous)]

Brain damage? No. You might want to be tested for ADD.