[ SECRET POST #2790 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2790 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 069 secrets from Secret Submission Post #399.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

06. http://i.imgur.com/E5PEA9r.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I can stand criticism of Moffat, even intense criticism of him.

The thing that I don't like is that it feels like, in large parts of fandom, it's forbidden to enjoy Doctor Who under his watch, especially post-season 6. It's the pervasive and all-encompassing negativity, where if you liked season 7 and you're looking forward to season 8 you literally have to have brain damage or something, that's frustrating to me.

[(Anonymous)]

This is ridiculous. The latest seasons have too much timey-wimey stuff, but for god's sake, it's not like RTD's were much better.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes this.

[philstar22]

This. And its the making out as if Moffat hate is the "right" way to do Doctor Who and as if you can't disagree and actually like or even prefer his era.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I think this is pretty much what the OP meant by their secret too.

[(Anonymous)]

Brain damage? No. You might want to be tested for ADD.

[(Anonymous)]

Moffat haters are batshit insane. I remember one of them here saying that Moffat was a terrible human being who deserved to die.

[(Anonymous)]

I would never say a writer is a terrible human being who deserves to die. But I completely understand having enormous disdain and dislike for a writer. My targets are the Star Trek Reboot writers (especially Bob Orci) -- I will not shy away from criticizing them. But there is a line and people need to keep themselves in check. Sending out death threats definitely crosses that line.

[(Anonymous)]

moffat's DW is just straight up boring and nonsensical imo. RTD had his problems but at least i was entertained most of the time.

[ketita]

Yeah, agreed. I'm not one to go into raving vitriol, but under RTD I found DW fun and entertaining, and marathoned the whole thing like crazy. Then Moffat came along and I was initially excited, but... I just lost interest and didn't like any of his characters. I don't like the Sherlock characters either, so I figure I just don't relate to the way Moffat writes characters, period.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. Neither RTD's run on the show nor Moffat's were flawfree. RTD churned out a lot of episodes that were simply shit. But you could still enjoy the campiness of it all. Whereas Moffat Who never quite gets as bad, but his bad isn't the enjoyable entertaining bad, but dull bad, which is worse IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah this.

I mean, I'm not a fan of his writing for several reasons, but hey, he's not the worst writer and even if he was, there is no excuse for some people's behaviour.

[skippydelicious]

They are certainly bullies. I've given up on participating in Who fandom simply because of them. I'll still enjoy the show, and I'll still buy the merch, but getting involved with that pit of vipers? No. Way. At. All.

I wish they'd stop trying to ruin the show with their demands too.

[(Anonymous)]

What demands?

/actually curious, because I haven't been participating in this fandom for a while

[kallanda_lee]

As somone who actually studied screenwriting, his plots and even worse - attempts at character and seasonal arcs - are shit. He can do single episodes well, especially if they are scary or action-packed, but I feel he absolutely falls flat as a showrunner. I think a lot of people pick up on that, but thery have their own reasons for disliking him.

I don´t think he should die ort whatever stupid things you think we say, nor do I go bitching about it on Doctor Who forums, but a lot of the criticism is legitimate. Sure, you can not watch the show, but it is an old show with an olf fandom that is really invested. It would just be nice if someone else took the helm, you know.

[philstar22]

The thing is, though, a lot (and even a majority) of the criticism isn't coming from Classic Who fans. It is coming from RTD and Ten-only fans who think that you can't disagree with them and that their opinions are objectively true.

And frankly, while you may have studied screenwriting, I think most of this is a lot more subjective than that. Moffat has his particular writing foibles, though I personally prefer most of his arcs to RTD's, but RTD has his own writing foibles as well as do the classic era showrunners and writers. Moffat isn't the devil. His writing isn't everyone's cup of tea, and it does have problems (and things that are subjective that a lot of people dislike). But I think a lot of Moffat haters are determined to get everyone to agree with them and tend to ruin conversations where people are talking about the things they actually like about Moffat's stuff.

[elaminator]

I don't care if people have issues with his writing or way of doing things; those are legitimate complaints and if they want to talk about them, they have every right to. (TBH my interest in DW seems to lessen every year, and I do wonder if some of it is because of his writing.)

Some people DO get too worked up about it though (the people who act like it's their job to insult him and/or wish him harm), but that kind of poor behavior isn't just apparent in Doctor Who fandom either. (Maybe DW fandom gets more of it, but just saying.)

[(Anonymous)]

What I can't stand are Moffat haters who somehow manage to ignore the turdfest that was RTD's era.

[(Anonymous)]

I see I've been making secrets in my sleep again.

[(Anonymous)]

I found it funny when one of the anti-Moffat stans complained that he didn't take any notice or even respond when they sent him links to concrit, because they were just trying to help him become a better writer and they weren't rude at all in their concrit.

Except they posted it on the stfu-moffat tumblr.

Because a url telling the person you're sending it to to "shut the fuck up" is totally not rude at all and most definitely is a hallmark of fair and reasonable criticism of their work. It's not like it's a tumblr dedicated to hating them and their work. :|

[leikomgwtfbbq]

I don't have anything interesting to add but that's a super-precious picture! I want a plush version.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate, hate, haaaaate how many people complain about Moffat... ...But then adore Davies who was just as racist and sexist. He just wasn't bloody obvious about it, which to me is worse because it's more dangerous when it slips under the radar.

Don't get me started on the wasted potential of Martha. Just don't. She makes me sad and angry with how she was constantly used as a plot device for Ten/Rose, and even when she was allowed her badass moments, they were quickly negated by stupid mistakes she should know better than to make (the entire kidnapping and cloning shit when she's supposedly a high-ranking officer comes to mind).

[(Anonymous)]

It's so not bullying. You have to look at who holds all the power in this relationship. And it's definitely not the fans.

And I will forever love RTD for giving us Captain Jack.

Yes, but it's not just Moffat

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree about a lot of the way Doctor Who is written, but I also did when Russell Davis was the show runner, to the point where I am a lot more tepid about Doctor Who in general.

Having said that, I agree with your comment, but I would extend it to a lot of other people: there are people who become celebrities for one reason or another and who it is apparently cool to slag off and then let the rest of the public put down for no reason whatsoever, sort of like in a perpetual flame war... It gets personal, it gets intense, it gets vicious and over-the-top: pretty soon they get accused of everything under the sun whether it's justified or not, and it becomes acceptable to react to their name with derision and contempt regardless of the circumstances.

That's the mob mentality for you and internet outrage only reinforces it... if you give people half a chance, they'll pile on until the end of time, regardless of whether they have the actual facts or it's any of their business or not. And that is how real wars get started too, BTW, which is not reassuring at all...