[ SECRET POST #2790 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2790 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, a lot of Bella's physical and emotional traits came directly from the author, and the whole story was a personal thing she wrote for herself based on a random sexy dream she had. It was only after a friend read it and convinced her to polish it for publishing that she went back and expanded; so most of the authorial self-insert stuff that earmarks a Sue remained.

[blitzwing]

Is a self-insert automatically a Mary-Sue though? If it's an accurate self-insert, and not a half-dragon half-vampire with tri-colored eyes and hair, but just a boring blah girl...I'm tempted to say that's a self-insert that's not a Mary-Sue. Other than having hot guys be into her, she doesn't have a lot of the traits.

[(Anonymous)]

To me the worst Mary Sue trait is the one Bella embodies: being treated as the absolute centre of the universe despite being "a boring blah girl".

I mean, as you put it "a half-dragon half-vampire with tri-colored eyes and hair" could possibly be a Mary Sue, but if so, at least you could understand WHY they'd potentially be considered super-important by other characters.

Bella on the other hand was completely dull, yet everyone was utterly and inexplicably obsessed with her. And then of course, once she becomes a vampire she gets to skip the long since established "new born" phase that all other vampires have to go through. That's being a total Sue.

[blitzwing]

To me the worst Mary Sue trait is the one Bella embodies: being treated as the absolute centre of the universe despite being "a boring blah girl".

To some extent though, a main character has to be the centre of the novel's universe; they are after all. They're the center of the book's events and the book revolves around them. With any fiction there has to be *some* leeway on that; if every main character was ordinary or de-centered they wouldn't be a main character, or the book would be utterly boring.

Twilight's hook is a dull ordinary meeting prince charmings and becoming the center of attention. It's pure wish fulfillment, and you can't have that without some suspension of disbelief, unless you're going for a dark subversion like The Thief of Always or Shrinkage: A Little Tale That Grows on You. Unless you think that any wish-fulfillment played straight will always make the target character a Mary Sue/Gary Stu (which is perhaps an understandable belief).

And then of course, once she becomes a vampire she gets to skip the long since established "new born" phase that all other vampires have to go through.

I didn't read the last one, so I can't comment on that part.

[(Anonymous)]

She became the center of attention because the scent of her blood. That's it. Because she smelled strange. And there's the book revolving around a character, and then the character being made out to be THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON EVAR IN THE WHOLE WIDE UNIVERSE!!!!!!! There's a difference.

Bella Swan is the latter.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you miss how she was super perfect at being a vampire from day1? Or how she got a super special half-vampire baby? Also literally everyone loves her except for the bad guys. When one of the good guys doesn't like her it's shown as a flaw and resolved.

[blitzwing]

She didn't become a vampire until the last book, am I correct? And I haven't read that one.

In the one I read she was kind of dumb and pathetic. She had no special abilities, she was not shown as especially smart or insightful, charming or pretty. As far as "everyone liked her" well, two guys wanted to bone her, and Edward's family liked her.

I don't see that as being "super perfect".

Anita Blake is a much better example of a Mary-Sue.