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Anyone else seen it? What are your thoughts?

Mine are mostly that a) I'm going to be looking up a lot of the "man these censors are dumb as rocks" movies they grabbed clips from (Red River, Ben-Hur, etc, which I'm too young to have seen), and b) I kind of wish they'd do an updated or "sequel" version, because it seems to me that depictions of gay people in movies have changed since 1995, in that in some respects, they've gone back to the subtext-laden "but it's not gay, they're talking about guns!" deal of the Hays era, but there's more of a popular push for open representation (of lots of groups, but QUILTBAG people are more visible, or more in the public eye, anyway).

I haven't seen it, but thanks for the reminder!

I saw it years ago, when still in film school - not part of an assignment, but just because I saw it at my library's film section and thought it might be interesting - and it was. I found it really interesting, especially as I just knew less about lgbt issues and censorship back then.

What I find really interesting is that we can't really see those movies as the people back then did - because we have a different cultural context - i.e. something might look terribly gay to us while it wasn't back then, and we in turn might miss subtext those audiences might have picked up on.

A lot of the tropes still remain in fiction today, though, albeit updated, and there still seems to be a reluctance for gay leads if the story is not particularly about sexuality.

AYRT

Yeah, I was watching it because I'm in a class called Before Stonewall right now, about LGBT art and literature and culture before the Stonewall riots in 1969. We stopped about halfways through the movie, so I didn't watch the rest until today.

The cultural context thing is definitely interesting, and definitely something to keep in mind. The snippet from the 1927 movie "Wings" was fascinating, because it's doesn't so much read as queer to me than just... feminine, or rather, what our culture has deemed to be feminine, i.e., expressions of emotion, especially physically.

(Though I will say I don't think that argument holds as much water when you've got the screenwriters and actors saying, "Yeah, that was totally gay, we did that to get around the censors.")

Well, there is a lot of the same bullshit, but... I guess I'm trying to say it's bullshit in different ways? Or at least the scope of the documentary would probably change, if it was remade today, and I'd be interested to see those changes and why they were made.

What are QUILTBAG people?

It's another acronym for LGBT+ people that's more inclusive but not as hard to remember as LGBTQQUUIAsomethingsomethingwhatever. Plus it makes a word, and that's the best part of any acronym.

That's what I said about the Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society, but nooooo...

A+ Red Dwarf reference! XD

nayrt

I can't see QUILTBAG without thinking it's something you have to have a certain number of fat quarters to qualify for.

It makes me a bit sad that you're using your age as an explanation why you've never seen those movies. Just because you're young doesn't mean you can't enjoy older movies!

Well, my age means I haven't had a lot of chance to enjoy these movies yet. Before now (I'm nineteen), my parents were more or less the arbiters of what movies I could watch, due to money, access, and exposure to them. If I'd said I didn't like them, I could understand your disappointment, but give me a chance, here.

I actually posted a secret about this documentary (years ago, now) where I admitted my embarrassment over how much coded stuff had been going right over my head (I guess I have some sympathy for the censors.)

I've been watching a lot of old movies on TCM in recent months and I've noticed that I've gotten pretty good at picking out what movies and shorts were pre-code, even if I tune in right in the middle of something with no idea what it's called or what it's about.

great movie, the book is even better if you can find it.

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