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You can like him as both a main character and a supporting one dummy.

Sure. But as a sixty-year old guy in love with a 20 year old girl, and who dismisses Watson as nothing but an extra set of hands?

Don't forget, he met her when she was like, TWELVE, and he was in his 50s and later it comes out that he KNEW EVEN THEN it was meant to beeeeee... which the author clearly intends as romantic but just feels creepy as all get out. I think that's what bothers me the most, the fact that the author is totally blind that portraying Holmes as the kind of man who'd perv on a pre-teen orphan is gross.

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Different strokes and all, but it's valid to enjoy different interpretations of characters, in this case Holmes in a mentoring role, as he was in the earlier books. Wastson was getting on and retired.
(I always had the impression that King's characters were riffing Rathbone and Bruce. So yeah, Watson would be pretty much out of the game by then.)

Also, I had no idea the series had grown by that many books. Mercy!

I also had no idea there were that many. I kind of liked the first one, but I never had the urge to read another. I think I thought there were three!

Oh, I agree. But in this case, OP has a point because not only is Holmes a supporting character, but he (and Watson) get their characterisation badly mangled. Also, Holmes is a borderline pedophile.

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What? By that logic, you could equally say that someone who recommends Rex Stout isn't a real Sherlock Holmes fan either, because Sherlock Holmes isn't in it. It doesn't make any sense. Liking a thing doesn't make you not a fan of other things.

Now, if they're saying it's the best most accurate interpretation of Holmes ever, or something, I guess maybe you could kinda stretch it. But mostly, no.

I liked the first book (and I consider myself a Holmes fan), but they became progressively less interesting to me.

Yeah, well I know someone isn't a real Sherlock Holmes fan when they haven't read "The All-Consuming Fire". Being judgey is great.

Just checked that out, sounds intriguing. Any good?

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I don't think of that series as a Sherlock Holmes series, though. Technically, he's in it, but plays a minor role and hardly seems like the same character in the ACD books. Mostly what annoys me is that the heroine feels like a really embarrassing author self insert written by someone who wanted to BE Sherlock Holmes, only better, and also to bang him on the side.

Agreed so hard. Screaming Mary Sue. She even has some of the personal characteristics and interests of the author, and is extremely anachronistic.

The Watson-denigration made me SO cross I couldn't finish the first book.

I wouldn't go as far as the OP in saying you are "not a fan" if you like them, but I would question your taste in reading matter.

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Rich, colour-changing eyes, smarter than Holmes, is beloved of everyone except villains, hair and glasses match the author's, classic self-insert Mary Sue.

And that's before the "Watson was not a real partner" ridiculousness.

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Oh dear god. Heaven forbid someone not meet your expectations of what it is to be a ~REAL FAN~.

Heaven forbid anyone think this steaming pile of crap is a good Sherlock Holmes series.

That series if the worst example of Mary Sue fanfic being published. URGH.

I consider myself a Sherlock Holmes fan, and I quite like them, though I think the idea's better than the execution. I don't understand why she made Mary so young at the outset but, once she's older and they're married, I do like their strange, emotionally-cool-with-hints-of-a-passionate-sex-life relationship...

I found the main romance unpalatable (not a fan of enormous age gaps) and as soon as we got to the Watson bashing I was completely done. Holmes would NEVER.

My sister's an old-school Sherlockian. She's taught entire courses devoted to Arthur Conan Doyle's works, including single-subject studies on Sherlock Holmes, both as he is in the original stories and as he is in various adaptations. She loves those books.

That's interesting. Does she have issues reconciling the differences in characterization and the Watson-bashing?

Identifies with the self-insert, presumably. Not a recommendation.

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So pretentious it's hilarious. I can imagine OP pushing their hipster glasses up their nose as they say it.

This secret is so pretentious and dumb I can't even. People can like what they like for whatever reasons they have. There is no such thing as a "real fan" of anything.

Maybe they just . . . like it independently as a mystery series?