[ SECRET POST #2798 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2798 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

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She's an alien lizard. In her eyes, what she says is true and not supposed to be some commentary on men vs. women.

Good grief didn't take long for the Moffat bashers to come out in full force.

[(Anonymous)]

you oughta look @ the doctor who ljcomm

post after post from the how moffat sucks brigade

[(Anonymous)]

Hence why I don't hang out at that come post - episode. I've got a relatively 'safe' forum that tends to look at the episodes with some critical reviews that by and large leave the Moffat bashing at the door (I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of Moffat the person or some of his plot - driven writing, but post after post of Moffat bashing just gets old after awhile)

[(Anonymous)]

Uhhh she makes it pretty clear that she's talking about the sex and not using "men" like "mankind"...

[(Anonymous)]

VASTRA: I love monkeys - they're so funny!

JENNY: Oh, I see! So people are monkeys now, are they?

VASTRA: No, my dear, people are apes. Men are monkeys.

Can someone please, please, please explain to me how on earth anyone can read this as being about Silurians vs humanoids, and not about men and women? The line is explicitly about Vastra reassuring Jenny that she (Jenny) (despite being a human being) was not included when Vastra insulted monkeys. Only men are. What possible fucking way on earth is there to read that and say that it's not about gender? Why do people keep saying that it's just about being a Silurian? How in Christ's name are you reading that line?

[(Anonymous)]

Step back and take a breath. Heck, take several. It's not that big of a deal.

[(Anonymous)]

Not everything has to be part of the great gender roles war, people need to realize as much as that is their one overriding passion, most of the viewership in conservative with a small "c" England don't give a damn and just want to hear a funny.

[(Anonymous)]

I know it's not a big deal. It's frustration born out of confusion more than anything else - I really just don't understand how people seem to see it this way and it's confusing and therefore frustrating.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm reading it like Vastra is Jeff from Rules of Engagement. She made a quip, turned out she'd put her foot in her mouth and pissed of Audrey, then made another quip that marginally salvaged it....for now. Its the sort of thing couples that love each other, but don't quite completely understand each other make. Vastra originally intended it as having the monkey line apply to humans, then oops...

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you. It's clearly a gender thing. But you see that kind of thing a lot in media. Guy writers just inaccurately seem to think that writing "girl power" type characters is just about them throwing off some line like "girls rule, guys drool" when it's kind of silly and superficial understanding of people. I don't think it's awful or offensive but when I see it, I do kind of wonder if it's their first time writing that type of character.