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⌈ Secret Post #340 ⌋

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Posting for Shahni! And early because I've got ~~pseuicide~~ class.

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I'm not arguing for implementation of a eugenics program -- it isn't acceptable in today's society and I don't believe that it would serve much point right now. We can't simply stop treating people for "the good of humanity" because one, medicines have probably had effects that we wouldn't know about until we stopped everything and I'd say it's a good chance the results would be catastrophic, and two, as we've seen on this community, it's unrealistic as most people would not support even the idea of it. My viewpoint is less "if we did this..." and more "If this had happened instead, a long time ago..."

I'm not sure why I do; I'm just a bucket of contradictions. Now that we have this technology, I want to put it to use and help people. At the same time I believe that the power to do this sort of thing shouldn't be in our hands.

but without those great minds, the very foundation of our society would unravel
Who's to say that this society is a good one though? We certainly wouldn't have gone in the same direction without people like that, but perhaps the path we didn't take would have led us to a better future. (Though as

zuppi said, no matter which way we took the result would be the same. ;) )

You are not arguing for the implementation of an eugenics program in the present, but if I infer this correctly, one would have had to take place at some point in history in order for the "what if" to even come into play. The question, again, is where do we draw the line? At the very dawn of medicines? Perhaps that would have just wiped out the human race as a whole, just as nature "intended", and then we wouldn't even be here debating this. Or maybe later on, before the discovery of penicillin perhaps? When?

Historically, suggestions of an eugenics program have been in existence since ancient times -- a very famous one is discussed in Plato's Republic, involving refusal of medical treatment for the sick (sounds familiar) and in extreme cases, infanticide. I don't think humanity as a whole will ever reach the point where something like that is considered acceptable.

Slightly OT (well, not exactly), I have some training in geology myself and -- while the theory of solar expansion is pretty much legitimate, there's hope that by the time we come to that, we will already have developed the technology necessary to move Earth's population and colonize another terrestrial body. It would be unthinkable if the genius rocket scientist in charge of this program had died from an untreated case of osteosarcoma some years back ;)

One final word: all this man vs. nature talk just reminds me that we, the human race, have done a lot to defy nature in the course of our existence and development, and what is more, we're rather good at it. I think what it comes down to is the question what ultimate goal should we seek, the end-all-be-all survival of our race, or the harmony between man and nature? And on that note, I don't think we should count man out of the fight just yet. There may yet be a way to go around natural laws that we haven't thought of.

"...there's hope that by the time we come to that, we will already have developed the technology necessary to move Earth's population and colonize another terrestrial body. It would be unthinkable if the genius rocket scientist in charge of this program had died from an untreated case of osteosarcoma some years back ;)"

That's awful. Humanity is a waste of space, in my opinion- almost all we've done to the planet and ecosystems that have supported us and help us to grow is violate. This, in my mind, is paramount to murder of every living thing on Earth. Basically what you said just now was, "Aren't we humans great? We've managed to get on the path to ditching this shitty ball of mud for a nice new planet once we're done trashing it! =DD" So, no. I don't think that the genius rocket scientist in charge surviving was a good thing. We can claim that humanity will act in a more mature fashion on other planets and in the solar system, but that's bull. Humanity will always be humanity, as evidenced by central themes and human characteristics in literature from the B.C.'s to the A.D.'s, and humanity is extremely species-centric.

I agree with the OP of #18, too. Natural selection has proven itself to be blind and quite good at forming better and brighter species; in the case of humanity, it was a little too good. We're an extremely successful species, but because of this success, we're on the path to destroying everything.
(In an amusing turn of events, I'm going into medicine too- only it's veterinary medicine.)

Uh.

Nope, I don't think I'll waste a good argument on this. Sorry.

By the way, I hope you become a great vet, because all the other species on this planet will have to become some kind of super organisms in order to survive the Sun swallowing the Earth whole (as per my, uh, original point). You know, because all humans will obviously have destroyed themselves recklessly at that point. Why develop the technology? The human race clearly needs to die a painful death, while the rest of the planet dies right along with it.

(Most pointless, incendiary argument ever. Fucking tree-huggers, I'm voting Republican next year.)

Edited 2007-12-13 00:25 (UTC)

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