[ SECRET POST #340 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #340 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Posting for Shahni! And early because I've got pseuicide class.

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 150 secrets from Secret Submission Post #049.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 4 ] broken links, [ 1 2] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Wednesday, December 12th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 27: A theory on all the recent yaoi posts

[agentmoreau.livejournal.com]

But it is the exception. The "rule" is heterosexuality - because it is the majority. The "exception to the rule" is homosexuality. "Normal" is, yes, relative, but I wish "not normal" wouldn't hold such bad connotations - because "not normal" simply means "something that is not the norm" by which I mean the statistical norm.

Re: 27: A theory on all the recent yaoi posts

[harukami]

Yes, but generally speaking, when you go through life entirely with quite a lot of things angled to make things easy for other people, and making things by comparison rather more difficult for you (ie, kissing your spouse goodbye in public, medical benefits in a lot of places in the world, buying jewelry for your sig other, being hired, taking your partner to work's parties, and other such terrible things that you get called out for because your spouse is the "wrong" sex, as well as things like -- well, when I was in high school, you had to take people of the opposite sex to school dances, or, you know, finding anything to relate to in popular media!) ...it's frustrating. Because yes, being in the minority means that you're the exception to the rule. However, being "treated as the exception to the normal" generally means "given less freedom, judged, or treated negatively."

Yes, I agree that it would be nice if "not normal" didn't hold such bad connotations, but I don't particularly think the words matter -- I think the fact that "not being normal" is causing negative reactions in real life (by which I mean either people responding negatively, or the situations which other people have is just absent or in the negative) is far more important than reclaiming the words. :/

This is why I made the difference of norm and normative. Homosexuality isn't the norm. However, homosexuality isn't treated as normative, either. It's treated as abnormal (which, slicing diction or not, I think you can admit is very different from "Not normal").


Edited to fix a typo.

Re: 27: A theory on all the recent yaoi posts

[farasha.livejournal.com]

Yes, yes, and yes again. I very much agree with you, and fervently wish that homosexuals weren't discriminated against - it's a very personal cause, I assure you. However, in an effort to not make myself a hypocrite (read: other people's sexuality is none of my business and neither is mine theirs), I won't elaborate.

It saddens me greatly that our esteemed backwards government can't seem to get over itself and its overly dated, backwards religious dogma and just allow everyone to live and let live.

I do realize that I can get extremely annoying when I start to argue semantics. I guess it's my inner English teacher coming to the fore. I believe, however, that the gay community could have an extremely effective argument if, whenever faced with an accusation of "being abnormal," they would collectively say, "No, my preferences are not normal in that they are not the norm. That does not mean I am any less entitled to the rights you have," instead of insisting loudly and falsely that they are normal, perfectly normal thank you very much.

(agentmoreau on her actual journal because hey, responding in an intelligent conversation with controversial topics in an RP journal? Less than classy. I forgot I was still replying with it.)

Re: 27: A theory on all the recent yaoi posts

[harukami]

I totally appreciate this response, by the way.

I'm Canadian, and I was never so grateful as when my sig other had a gall stone attack in the middle of the night and I got to ride with her in the ambulance with nobody questioning my right to be there when I said I was the spouse. I was also very aware that it was something that was rare enough to be grateful for.

I never said annoying! Linguistics are a very interesting thing, and to be fair, I started it (with the normative vs "the norm" thing). *g* I only mentioned that last point because the opposite of normative (being a term with connotations different from "normal") isn't "not normal", it's "abnormal". *g* I think you have a point, but the trouble with the reclamation of language is that it's not just about what you say, it's about how it's received. And while the gay community can say that, it would be a long time, I think, before it was received in that way instead of "oh they admit they're abnormal/abominations/rar!" ways. Even "Queer" (with the same connotative meaning split of unusual vs abnormal) is still in the process of being reclaimed -- it's come a long way in that it's used academically and so on, but it's still being used as an insult. :/

(XD Don't worry about it! I've almost replied with my demon cannibal rp journal before -- it's easy to do.)

Re: 27: A theory on all the recent yaoi posts

[farasha.livejournal.com]

Very good point. I had and still have a problem with the word "faggot" - I have a dislike toward it bordering on loathing, and no other word in the English language has the ability to make me as uncomfortable. When I think about it, it seems quite ridiculous - it is only a word, after all. But even when gay people use it, I can't stand it. You would never hear it coming out of my mouth and I get uncomfortable when it is said.

I have also caught myself saying, and have been ashamed of saying, "That's gay" with connotations of stupidity. Just because my best friend uses it all the time, and he happens to be gay, doesn't mean it's alright.

You make a very good point about the elasticity of language, and how difficult it is to reclaim a word after it has been turned toward something negative - and inversely, how incredibly easy it is to make that same word negative in the first place.