[ SECRET POST #2804 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2804 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The only show I can think of that really does that in a gross way is Sherlock. A lot of "homoerotic subtext" is just obsessed fans seeing things.

[(Anonymous)]

See, given how fandom and creators are increasingly colliding though, I do think that there are shows that intentionally ramp that stuff up in an attempt to appeal those fans. And I don't think they're blameless either.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, they see that homoerotic subtext is selling so they're putting homoerotic subtext in their TV/movies - but none of them are pretending that they're going for queer representation. I find that a lot less offensive than fans who screech about representation when really their care stops at their favorite white dicks touching.

[(Anonymous)]

To me, it's more offensive on the creator's parts because it's manipulative and they clearly reap financial benefits from it. Fans wanting their OTP to be canon (and using LGBT issues as a pretext) is dumb but I can see why it happens too -- when creators make the most emotionally fulfilling relationships between two white dudes, it's not surprising that that's who the fans ship.

I just wish that writers would actually develop the real romantic interests if they're not going to make a queer pairing canon. Because we're often left with a string of superficial relationships, homoerotic subtext, and NO HOMO jokes. Which doesn't really make anyone happy.

[(Anonymous)]

Creators manipulate all kings of things to get sweet $$$ from their fans. That's how it works.

And like - I'm not annoyed by people wanting their OTPs to be canon (as long as they're not campaigning for it because holy second-hand embarrassment, Batman). I'd certainly love for some of my OTPs to be canon. But FTLOG, call it what it is and stop trying to make yourself feel better about it by wrapping it in SJ terms. (Uh, general "you". Not you, obviously.)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you to an extent. I just think it's more scummy on the creator's part because there are queer people who legitimately get their hopes up with some of these pairings only to have them crushed while the creators reap the sweet financial reward. Fans, whatever their crazy shenanigans, don't really get much of a monetary bonus out of it. It just seems really cold-blooded on the creators' parts to me.

But I agree with you that people who use LGBT representation or race representation or trans representation or whatever representation to cry about their OTPs are trivializing something important. Especially when they make other fans feel like shit for not liking the pairing.

[(Anonymous)]

I really doubt there are all that many actual queer people who look to the kind of pairings that Tumblr accuses of "queerbaiting" for representation. While the situation is obviously far from ideal, in this day and age there is a choice of shows and movies with actual queer characters that they can seek out.

(Uh, I don't like supporting my arguments with anecdata but I feel like I should clarify that I'm speaking from experience here. When I was 16 and going through that whole realization that I was maybe a little in love with my girl friend, I was thirsty for any kind of same-sex-bffs-falling-in-love storyline. So I went and mainlined an entire storyline of that exact kind from a British soap opera on YouTube.)

[(Anonymous)]

I can believe it largely because I do see quite a few LGBT people who ship popular slash pairings. I know of a few queer male fic writers for some of my favorite pairings as well. The person who I talk about my favorite slash ship most often is a lesbian too.

I'm not saying there aren't better options out there, but I still think creators can be rather exploitative. I also feel this way because, whatever their faults, a good many fans ARE rather young and inexperienced so I cut them more slack than the creators who are usually at least in their 30s.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow this just in there are no queer people in fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

da

ayrt isn't saying there are no queer people in fandom, they'er saying queer people in fandom don't look to characters in headcanon slash/femslash fics for representation because they're not actually queer

it's dumb as hell to be like "mary represents lesbians" when she isnt a lesbian wtf. though i will femslash mary to hell and back if i want to and nobody can stop me. am a queer person btw

[(Anonymous)]

*raises hand*

Queer woman here (specifically, bi leaning asexual, though I'm still not sure how much of my asexuality is innate and how much is due to serotonin levels), and you've completely described me in that first paragraph. I don't watch much TV in general, and what I do watch is pretty much exclusively SFF (but not horror; I'm a huge scaredy-cat) and/or mysteries and/or procedurals. So while I know that there's queer TV out there, it tends not to crop up in shows that I'm interested in.

Granted, I share your frustration with pairing-specific claims of queerbaiting in certain fandoms, e.g. Teen Wolf. I might ship Sterek in my own time, but on the show, I just want Stiles to come out as bi canonically, regardless of whether he's dating Derek or Scott or Danny or Lydia.

But in other fandoms, I'm as hardline as any other shipper; for instance Rizzoli and Isles, where only Rizzoli/Isles would make me feel validated after all that ship-teasing.

I haven't the first clue how universal my experience is, but also anecdotally, I'm definitely a "queer [person] who look[s] to the kind of pairings that Tumblr accuses of 'queerbaiting' for representation."

[(Anonymous)]

da

i don't think "i ship a ship, and i refuse to accept any other ship as valid" means you're looking to them for representation. that just means you ship something hard, which anybody can do with any pairing without representation being involved.