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⌈ Secret Post #2805 ⌋

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I have no idea why everyone hates Snape. Seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't been active in this fandom for a few years and it's been a while since I read the books, so did I forget something huge? I mean, did I completely manage to overlook the part where Snape slaughtered a bunch of baby unicorns or something to piss off the fandom this badly? Or is everyone just righteously indignant over the fact that he "violated" Lily's dignity by holding onto his feelings for her or whatever?

I always saw Snape as someone who grew up very bitter over things that happened to him that he never recovered from psychologically. He may not have been a great teacher, he may have gone out of his way to be rude to people he didn't like, and he may have not been the knight in shining armor that people apparently demand from their protagonists, but in what world does that make him an evil person? How does that overshadow the fact that he saved multiple plot-dependent asses on multiple occasions?

Imo being an unpleasant teacher and having an abrasive personality in no way overrides the fact that he did many objectively good things, and I legitimately cannot fathom the backwards logic that could discount what he did because he did it out of love for Lily rather than for Harry. Obviously the action itself means nothing, and the reasoning behind it must be pure and thoroughly unselfish in every way before it can be appreciated.

Rowling created a complex, deeply-flawed protagonist who wasn't sugarcoated with the cliche of overcoming every negative aspect of himself in order to prove that his intentions were good... and y'all still complain because everything has to be a black-and-white issue these days. Someone who does a bad thing is automatically a bad person, full stop.

tl;dr Anon doesn't understand the rabid Snape hate in this fandom and thinks people ruin good literature and good characters by trying to use them as pawns in morality crusades.

Re: I have no idea why everyone hates Snape. Seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is, he's not an 'unpleasant' teacher. He's an abusive teacher who is actively a dick to children he's in charge of for no good reason. His actions towards Neville and Hermione in particular are hard for me to excuse or overlook. He says some awful shit to them. That's even setting aside the fact that he was a magical racist who ratted about the prophecy to Volemort, since we're just setting that aside as youthful indiscretion.

I agree that he's a morally complex character, and I think that's a good thing, but for me, he just does too much dickish shit for me to take him seriously as a purely good protagonist. He was morally complex in that he was a dick who ended up doing some truly good and courageous things, because that's how people are sometimes, but that doesn't make the dick part of him go away. He was still a nasty prick. Those flaws are always a part of his character for me, and I don't think that's me taking refuge in moral simplicity. I think he's a really interesting character, but that's a different thing.

I have no idea why you have to either think he's a hero or you hate him. Seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

Snape is a fascinating character, but he's not a good person. For me, one of the things that really deepened Snape as a character was finding out that "Snape's Worst Memory" wasn't because James and Sirius were bullying him. It was because that was the day that he well and truly fucked up his friendship with Lily. Of course, Snape blames James and Sirius for making him act like a jerk, but that's the kind of thing a lot of people can relate to, even if it's not very admirable.

You also have to remember that Snape didn't change sides because he suddenly (or even gradually) realized that what the Death Eaters were doing was morally wrong. He changed sides because Voldemort killed Lily, and that broke him. Snape was broken and Dumbledore used that because Dumbledore was a little bit ruthless when it came to the greater good. But nothing indicates that Snape ever "reformed." He nurtured his grudge against James and Harry because accepting that he may have been wrong about either of them meant accepting that Lily's death was entirely his fault. And at the end, he sacrificed himself for Lily's sake, not Harry's. Snape was a tragic figure and he didn't lack physical courage, but he was also petty, selfish and cruel. That, combined with his obvious deathwish, knocks him out of the hero category for some people, but it also makes him interesting.

Re: I have no idea why you have to either think he's a hero or you hate him. Seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

He had a grudge, yes, and wasn't a good person. But I do think he did change his mind about Voldemort and believed in the cause, he just wasn't a good person about it.

Re: I have no idea why you have to either think he's a hero or you hate him. Seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - What, specifically, makes you think he believed in the cause? I'm honestly curious. Personally, I think he believed in the cause of not letting the guy who killed Lily win. He believed in that cause enough to die for it. Beyond that, I'm not sure he really believed in anything.

Re: I have no idea why everyone hates Snape. Seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

Since you're asking, I don't hate Snape but as a former teacher I can't get over the fact he was an abusive dick of a terrible teacher.

Also, he ran to Voldemort with news of the prophecy about the Chosen One, knowing it would get some family murdered. There's a lot of shitty stuff I can explain away or get over with regard to Snape, but for me that was a bridge too far.