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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-09-08 06:46 pm

[ SECRET POST #2806 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2806 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Five Nights at Freddy's]


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[Star Trek, MCU, Batman Begins]


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[Twilight Saga]


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[Xenosaga]


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[Doctor Who]


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[Great British Bake Off]


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[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]


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[Minecraft]


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[Macklemore]










Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 044 secrets from Secret Submission Post #401.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Why do characters have to be awesome and do things? Why can't they develop?

DA

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Because not everyone changes, anon. Some people are more static than others.

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
And who determines who is static and who isn't? The author.

I'm just saying that "why can't they be ___" a pointless question to ask, because why can't they be the other way around?

Re: DA

[personal profile] anonymous4 2014-09-08 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, precisely -- my comment was putting it to the OP of the secret that they could be the other way round.

But also see my comment later in the thread.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Why can't they be fully developed to begin with and then be awesome and do things?

[personal profile] anonymous4 2014-09-08 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, you put it much better than me!

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Development is not a synonym for quality.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
ayrt

I made no statements re: quality. Only pointing out the question asked was pointless because it could just as easily go the other way.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think that's true, because I think we tend to assume that character development is intrinsically a good thing.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
No, character development signals that "this is a protagonist that the story is about," and not everyone is a protagonist that the story is about, including these characters. "Love interests" tend to stay static.

The fact that none of these characters are a protagonist in their story is a separate topic.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
No, character development signals that "this is a protagonist that the story is about,"

I disagree. There are protagonists that have 0 development whatsoever.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
"Being an apple signals that this is a fruit."
"I disagree. There are fruits that aren't apples."
".....o...kay."

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Example: Bella Swan.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-09 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
a therefore b =/= b therefore a

(Anonymous) 2014-09-09 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Character development doesn't necessarily signal that, though. There are characters who are not protagonists and who are not the focus of the story that still develop.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-09 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think that love interests necessarily stay static... if I see a romance, I expect both characters to develop if I'm to consider it a good story.

[personal profile] anonymous4 2014-09-08 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Because, although lack of character development is what everyone seems to complain about, they never define what character development is, nor explain why they think it's a Good Thing.

To me it seems that a character development-driven (Hero's Journey-type) plot is bound to focus on one character (or two if it's about a relationship), and that (for perceived economic reasons) the main character is most likely to be a straight, white male, and that all the other characters will be given lesser, stereotyped, non-developing roles.

Why not chuck out the character development idea, and look for other ways to drive a plot?