[ SECRET POST #2809 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2809 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[ariakas]

I'd be just as cool with a movie about what really happened:

There was no evidence that the Jews were ever there at all and the pyramids were built by paid Egyptian labourers.

Then maybe one guy goes to Egypt, sees the pyramids, and comes up with some wild story to justify butchering everyone who just happens to be in the land god promised them, damn it!

...Of course, if we're talking purely historical reality, a lot of that conquering never actually happened either.

[(Anonymous)]

1. Nowhere does it actually say that they were forced to build the pyramids. More likely it was cities that have been lost and built over through the ages.

2. They weren't Jews, they were Hebrews. No commandments, no official religion. It was a tribe that allied with other tribes that eventually became Jewish (as opposed to pantheistic, christian, Islamic, etc).

[ariakas]

There's still absolutely no historical evidence whatsoever that ancient Hebrews of any kind were enslaved in Egypt.

[tasogare_n_hime]

I was just thinking this. I mean did anyone ever find any actual evidence at all that there was ever any mass group of slaves being freed to leave Egypt at any time?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, various groups on various occasions, mostly to do with food supply and labor issues, as you might expect with a flood-dependent economy.

[ariakas]

No. Slavery in ancient Egypt was more like Rome: there were limited-term contracts with personal owners, and they were for the most part treated quite well. The story of Exodus has been regarded as wholly fictional by historians for some time now, because there's no evidence for it, and growing evidence that the Egyptians used paid laborers almost exclusively for large construction projects (and slaves for minor projects and upkeep only). Think of it like Bronze Age welfare projects.

[4thofeleven]

Nothing on the scale depicted in Exodus. The only contemporay Egyptian reference to Jews is a single monument that lists "Israel" as one of a number of tribes defeated by the Pharaoh's armies. Whle you can't expect the Egyptians to record a defeat on the level of Exodus, a mass movement of people should leave some evidence.

There's also the problem that, for much of the Egyptian new kingdom - the period Exodus is generally dated to - Egypt ruled what's now Israel, Palestine and Lebanon. It would be rather odd for a large slave revolt to flee Egypt proper only to find refuge in another part of their empire!

There is some evidence, though, that the name Moses is of Egyptian origin, so there's probably something to the story, some real person with ties to both Egypt and Israel who did something impressive. But the modern Exodus story wasn't written down until six centuries after the supposed time of Moses, during the Babylonian Exile, so that's more than enough time for the details to end up massively exaggerated and changed.

[(Anonymous)]

According to my anthropology teacher (also a religious studies doctor) even if the Hebrews had been in Egypt and followed the story much like the Bible says, it reads more like a "fuck you we didn't want to live HERE anyway" anecdote than anything. One popular theory is that Egypt was experiencing a drought and the Hebrews in question were essentially kicked out to save resources.