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i think they'd come out as the villains by the end anyway, considering slavery and all

MMmmmm. I can see it. I mean, the elite would not be able to. But you figure some poor Egyptians who don't really have any input on what is going on. Suddenly all this terrible shit starts happening to them, culminating in the death of their son.

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a_potato - 2014-09-12 00:58 (UTC) - Expand

Yeah, thinkin' you can't really make a sympathetic story where the "villain" barely survived a mass infanticide because the "heroes" decided the undesirables were breeding too much.

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Yup. This particularly movie is a very sanitized version of the story that creates a brother angle that wasn't in the original story (Moses was adopted by the pharaoh's daughter, making Rameses his uncle if, indeed, Rameses was the guy since there is debate as to the time period it actually took place in).

Jews had slaves too, so I'm not sure that counts as proof of villany in this case.

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I remember reading, though, that the pyramids actually weren't built through use of slaves. They were kind of an early government project meant to put people to work. Wikipedia has this to say:

"The tombs' proximity to the pyramids and the manner of burial supports the theory that they were paid laborers who took great pride in their work and were not slaves, as was previously thought. The commonly held belief of slaves building the pyramids was likely to have been popularized by Hollywood films based on the original archaeological and anthropological opinion that they could not have been built without forced labor. Evidence from the tombs indicates that a workforce of 10,000 laborers working in three-month shifts took around 30 years to build a pyramid."

So, I don't know…I think a film with heroic Egyptian leads would be possible.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-09-12 01:37 (UTC) - Expand

Wasn't there recent evidence that they where being paid to work, or am I thinking of something else?

Edited (i can english) 2014-09-12 05:49 (UTC)

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This should be a fun thread.

Ikr? I was about to comment on how this was actually some of the most clever disguising of an Israel vs. Whomever argument I'd seen yet.

There was actually a novel for young readers from the Pharaoh's pov. I forget what it was called.

Was this picture promotional art or something, it doesn't really looked like it was shopped.

yes, it was a promo pic.

There's a graphic novel called "The Lone And Level Sands."

Pharaoh Ramses II hasn't seen his long-lost cousin Moses in nearly forty years. Yet while pressed by the Hittites to the North and construction delays in the South, Ramses must make time for this ancient desert rascal, the long-ago mystery he represents, and the impossible demands of an alien deity. Drawing on the Bible, the Qur'an, and historical sources, writer A. David Lewis (Mortal Coils) and artist Marvin Perry Mann (Arcana Jayne) present a retelling of the Book of Exodus through the eyes of the man who is either its greatest leader or its worst villain: a man trying to rule wisely, love his family well, and deal justly in the face of a divine wrath.

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Egyptians: "That bastard came and stole all our slaves! WHO'LL BUILD THE PYRAMIDS NOW, I ASK YOU?"

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I'd be just as cool with a movie about what really happened:

There was no evidence that the Jews were ever there at all and the pyramids were built by paid Egyptian labourers.

Then maybe one guy goes to Egypt, sees the pyramids, and comes up with some wild story to justify butchering everyone who just happens to be in the land god promised them, damn it!

...Of course, if we're talking purely historical reality, a lot of that conquering never actually happened either.

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Good news: the whole thing's fictional.

It's an allegory for Jewish people's initial exodus from the Sumerian city-states, and also possibly for a descent from the slave caste there. That part of the Bible was written sometime in the fifth or sixth century CE, during another exile.

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Is this official art??? I've never seen this before. I want a full-sized version of it.

Prince of Egypt portrays Ramses fairly sympathetically though, all things considered? At least, they portrayed him as a fairly human character, if a flawed one.

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I'd watch it!

YES. WRITE IT.

If you don't do it, I will, and it will be SAVAGE.

I just realized that people will accuse whoever writes this of being an anti-semite and FUCK THEM. Awesome idea, OP.

I haaaated this movie so much. When you have a children's film where both sides are child killers, you know you have a problem.

OP, you might appreciate Christian Jacq's novels about Ramses II. Ramses is unquestionably the hero and the books does cover the Moses story in a very non-magical version. It's not a major part of the novels, though - in general, Ramses is far too busy fighting enemies and building temples and stuff.

Fuck yes.

You want to see the slave owners as the good guys, rather than the slaves? That's fucked up.

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