[ SECRET POST #2810 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2810 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Free Eternal Summer]


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[Orphan Black]


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12. [WARNING for suicide]

[Patch Adams/Dead Poets Society/What Dreams May Come]













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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

...oh.

"What Dreams May Come" is especially haunting because of what it says about people who commit suicide -- that they are trapped in hell not because they're being punished by some cruel God, but because the state of their soul after death inevitably reflects the private mental hell of depression/suicidality. I mean, not like I totally believe that or anything, but still....

(Has anyone else actually even seen What Dreams May Come?)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. Yes I have. I owned it on VHS actually.

[(Anonymous)]

Well now I do.

[(Anonymous)]

I have. And I hate it for that reason.

Because god or no god, it's still saying "suicides end up in Hell and it's their own fault."

[(Anonymous)]

DA. It's been a long time since I've watched that movie but I remember it being not only horribly depressing but also leaving a bad taste in my mouth, and I think you reminded me of why.

I was never planning on watching that movie again, and now that he's passed I really won't touch it (being a suicidal/depressed personal myself also doesn't help.)

[jaybie_jarrett]

See...I don't even really believe that people who commit suicide DO end up in hell for that. Really. I think that's something that radicals or ignorant people believe.

I can see how that would put off someone. I always get mad when I see people perpetuating that. It's only hurting people who are already hurting more.

[(Anonymous)]

But it doesn't, really? All it says is "people who commit suicide don't magically become happy just because they don't have a body anymore." His wife couldn't be in heaven not because someone wasn't letting her, but because she *couldn't experience heaven*, she was in a black pit of despair and incapable of being happy in life, and that didn't suddenly evaporate after death.

The "hell" isn't hell-as-punishment, it's that they're miserable, and because they're miserable, they are in hell, just like living people who are depressed and suicidal live sometimes lives that are like being in hell, no matter how good their surroundings or how wonderful their job or how loving their family is.

[darkmanifest]

All it says is "people who commit suicide don't magically become happy just because they don't have a body anymore."

I mostly agree with you, but for people whose suicidal tendencies are as much due to imbalances in the physical body as in the spirit, saying they'll create a hell for themselves even without a body needing treatment implies that overcoming something like clinical depression is solely a matter of willpower and not also managing a physical ailment. The movie doesn't give room for that to aspect of mental illness to matter in someone's afterlife, especially when they say "no suicide ever escapes hell". Really? Even without the flaws in their mortal body contributing to their despair?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, that's true. The movie was talking about the wife who killed herself as a direct reaction to her kids and then her husband dying prematurely in accidents, which is definitely a very different situation from body chemistry conditions that inflict depression on a person out of nowhere.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS.

[hands4healing]

The only thing I liked about that movie was the dog and the amazing colors.

What about The Fisher King? I loved it for the whole tale of the Fisher King, but the rest of it made me edgy.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I loved The Fisher King and am annoyed that it hasn't received the attention RW's other films have. A recent profile of RW's life on PBS included clips from all his movies except that one. (Mind you, maybe there were some weird problems with rights... I think Terry Gilliam did it as an indie effort?)

I loved that film, despite its darkness, because it was largely about a good man (Williams) surviving and, eventually, healing despite a devastating personal loss. In that sense, it was optimistic.

[(Anonymous)]

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thanks for the heads up, I'm going to avoid this movie now and forever

[(Anonymous)]

haunting is exactly the way to describe it. But I thought it wasn't making a general statement about all suicides, because there are different levels of guilt and despair. And the set up in this movie is absolutely soul destroying so it's no wonder she continues to suffer after death.

But there was so much beauty in the film and it's ultimate message of love and redemption. Powerful and thought provoking.

[(Anonymous)]

I was a little torn about the movie. I thought the premise and idea was really amazing and the direction was gorgeous, but the plot wasn't fleshed out nearly as much as I wished it would be given how much potential it had, and there was a bit too much filler.

[darkmanifest]

Made me cry the first time I saw it.

[tabaqui]

Oh, yes. So gorgeous and so heartbreaking. Loved it.

[(Anonymous)]

I have. Only once and it was many years ago, but it stuck with me pretty hard

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I have seen it on cable several times.