[ SECRET POST #2838 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2838 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Transformers: Rescue Bots; linked for robot porn? there's a transformer and ?? tentacle cables or something at least]


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13. [ WARNING for underage sex, rape/dub-con ]

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, two things:

1) I generally agree with you that this trope sucks, but mostly because I hate it when I think "yay representation!", especially when it looks like they made an until-then-assumed-straight character bisexual, and then I end up disappointed because OF COURSE it turns out the character is still straight.

2) However, hate to break it to you, sexual orientation is still about biological sex and not about gender. I'm not attracted to biologically female people. Period. If I assume someone is male and find them attractive, that attraction disappears the moment I find out they're biologically female. Why? Because I don't find breasts, vaginas etc. attractive and my attraction only existed as long as I thought this person had a penis, testicles etc. I know this sucks for a lot of trans people, but it's the way it is for many people who are either straight or gay - we're only attracted to one biological sex. The trope you mentioned is shitty because it's usually written in a really homophobic way, but it doesn't change anything about the fact that sexual orientation is a SEXual orientation, not a gender-preference orientation.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. I completely agree. I've kissed girls and stuff, but I'd never want to have sex with one, because I'm not attracted to vaginas and breasts. But you know, people get all up in arms because god forbid you have preferences.

[(Anonymous)]

Attraction is pretty complicated. Me here, I'm not attracted to women at all. Used to think I was bisexual and dated few, including a non-op trans one (shitty argument is shitty..., I apologise for it, I truely was an arsehole). Well, turns out I'm very gay.

However, I have an interesting example. I usually like androgynous dudes and Andrieja Pejic would be my looks ideal. She has always threw me off, which puzzled the hell out of me.

[(Anonymous)]

Same Anon, just adding: Also, the girlfriend who is trans is a lesbian :> - she dated me, now she's dating another guy. In general, she never finds herself attracted to men at all, exceptions happened (same as in my case ... our friends had a blast with a gay dating a lesbian ... yup). I could go on and on with things like this (this one has been public thus everyone knew - we're both ... kind of known people) - sexuality is odd. Life is odd. People are odd.

Writing bigoted things is not okay.

[(Anonymous)]

How is "some people are only attracted to one biological sex" bigoted? Exceptions happen for some people. They don't happen for other people. Like you said, sexuality is odd, people are odd, life is odd. Doesn't mean everyone makes the same experiences or that everyone who doesn't make those experiences is narrow-minded or bigoted.

[(Anonymous)]

Anon you wrote to: but I did not say that ;) . It is not bigoted. Everyone has their own preferences. Just wanted to add on the gender side - it also contributes.

The trope just angers me same as OP - usually you have (in this case) a man visibly attracted to the woman under-cover and then express relief after the reveal. This is what I find enfuriating - if there had been an elaboration on sexuality spectrum, dynamism, relativity, it would be okay. Or if the characters had been solely friends and attraction happened after the reveal (slowly). The trope read very homo- and bi- phobic to me.

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny, I'm like the female version of you, down to the non-op trans girlfriend.

I'm straight, but I like androgyny. Sometimes I still feel weird saying I'm straight, but it's the most accurate descriptor.
Attractions can throw you off, but in the end I think the problem is not our preference, but the narrow box we try to shoehorn masculinity and femininity into. An androgynous guy s still a guy.

[(Anonymous)]

For some people that's how it works, sure, but that's definitely not how it works for everyone. Otherwise no gay men would ever be attracted to trans men, or straight men to trans women and so on. It sucks for trans people when others aren't attracted to them even though it's understandable, but it also sucks when people feel the need to smugly bring up "It's SEXual orientation, attraction isn't about what you feel inside."

[(Anonymous)]

I'd argue that someone who's attracted to someone who's biologically a different sex than their preferred sex is not quite as straight or gay as they thought. Which is perfectly all right, nothing wrong with being bi or pan or having exceptions or whatever. Just, if you're a guy who likes cock, you're not straight, even if that cock you like belongs to a trans woman.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

If someone likes their trans girlfriend's cock, but other gay males and trans MtF people still do nothing for them whatsoever, I wouldn't feel comfortable labeling that person as not straight, because they aren't attracted to cock in general, just cock attached to a very specific person. I dunno if I could call them straight, either, though. Some things are hard to put a label on.

[(Anonymous)]

Also a trope used widely in fanfic. The exception proves the rule or gay for love. Guy falls in love with another guy despite all canon evidence the first guy is straight. But slash has to happen. So he overcomes his straightness just this one time. If for whatever reason the relationship falls apart (canon decides to marry him off for example) then he looks back fondly from time to time, but is content in his heterosexual relationship. Unless the slash writer also has a thing for angst at which point the guy becomes a conflicted cheater.)

[(Anonymous)]

No.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd argue that someone who's attracted to someone who's biologically a different sex than their preferred sex is not quite as straight or gay as they thought.

I disagree. My trans brother has dated several straight women, all of whom continued to ID as straight both during and after the time they were dating him. None of them was homophobic, and only one of them would've been likely to experience a bad family reaction if she'd come out as bi. That's still not an absolute guarantee of their straightness, of course, but it's close enough that I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of pronouncing these women, and other people in similar situations, "not quite as straight...as they thought" by default.

[(Anonymous)]

Speak for yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

I did.

[(Anonymous)]

"we're only attracted to one biological sex"
We?

[(Anonymous)]

yup.

[(Anonymous)]

Pansexuality exists, mmmk?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes? So do bisexual people? I only made a point about straight or gay people, and last time I checked neither straight nor gay people were pansexual.