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So, if a book/comic/etc. is being turned into a movie/TV/etc., some changes have to be made to make the movie/TV/etc. any good.

If your fandom is being adapted and you have a favorite character, what are the traits that have to remain or the adaption will fail for you? What changes could you live with or do you think couldn't be translated well?

(For instance, I liked Elrond for his kindness/compassion and Faramir because he wasn't tempted, so the movies failed those two characters. Etc.)

I think it's for the best to leave genderbending and racebending to the fanfic writers. I didn't like Elementary as a Sherlock Holmes adaptation and the less said about the live-action A:TLA, the better.

I think it depends with racebending. The thing about Avatar is that changing their races went against the established universe. It's based on Asian cultures, so it's jarring to see non-asian people in those roles. But with things set in the modern, globalized world, there's less reason to stick rigidly to a certain race. I agree Elementary doesn't feel like Sherlock Holmes, but it's because of the way it handles the plot and characterization, not because Watson is Chinese and other characters were genderbent.

Well, have you seen Man of Steel? Yeah, that was 100% made of fail. There was not a single change that I thought needed done.

I like Enid Blyton's "Famous Five" novels and if one of them was moviefied, I'd support changing Aunt Frances' nickname, the younger Kirrin boy being referred to by his unshortened name, and the evil foreigners being whitewhashed so they could just be evil white villains.

If they changed the kids away from being Brits, George from being a tomboy into a girly-girl, even if it was a preppy girly-girl, or if they made Timmy anything other than a border collie; I'd go to old sparky rather than a movie theatre.

In Samurai X the movie Kenshin doesn't make those silly faces - which I know is impossible IRL, but it made him OOC for me.

btw, I loved movies Elrond.

Just curious... Have you read Tolkien's books?

Parts of it. xD Not the ones with Elrond.

Well, then, just FYI that he's even more awesome in the books :)

Is it even possible? I might give it a go, now that I'm an adult.

There is no redline, but the more you change the more skilled the writer/director team need to be. I wish more would sit back before making a change to "subvert" or "surprise" audience expectations and ask themselves "wait a minute, am I really as good as I think I am? Really?". The answer is usually no. A simple, straightforward, tale that is well told is usually more powerful than any updating or twisting that a writer/director team who think they are more talented than they are can deliver.

I didn't find Elrond unkind or unsympathetic. I did miss the singing elves of the books, but I still liked Hugo Weaving. I kind of agree about Faramir, though I understand why for movie purposes it made sense for no one to be able to not be tempted.

The whole thing where Elrond would try to get in the way of Arwen/Aragorn and that he thought Men were weak seemed so OOC for the character that I just couldn't accept it. For me, that made him a dick in the movie (when you compare him to how he is in the book).

Maybe. In the book, or at least the appendices, it was Arwen who wouldn't marry him until he became king. So maybe they did it to keep one of Aragorn's reasons for striving for the kindship (especially when they made him reluctant) without having Arwen be the one. Because it makes sense in the book, but it would probably seem rather harsh of her to modern viewers.

I'm afraid this is incorrect. The appendices do not say it was Arwen who would not wait. It was still Elrond who laid this edict on Aragorn. But Elrond does this twice and the first time had nothing to do with Arwen. And Elrond specifically says he loves Aragorn when he tells him he has to wait. I definitely think if they had followed the books, modern audiences could see him as the concerned father he was -- for both Aragorn and Arwen. I just don't see any justification for the change at all.

Really? I guess I need to read the appendices again. My book copy doesn't have them for some reason. I'm not really sure I see the difference, then, if both versions have him made them wait.

Because in the book, there's no suggestion that Elrond doesn't support his daughter's choice. He makes them wait until the world isn't threatened with Sauron anymore but he doesn't stop them from seeing each other or anything. In the film, it's made out that he purposefully misled Arwen about the child they would have and their future happiness. That scene he had with her where he tells her about her future suffering and she ends up crying is manipulative and dickish on his part and not what book!Elrond would do.

Um...keep their races and personalities intact. So...basically...a faithful adaptation.

Also, cast accurately. Using my favorite book series turned into a "What the FUCK is this?" movie adaptation - one of the nicest actors i've seen was cast to play the absolute evilest character I have ever read in fiction. Let alone the main kid - what a joke!

Although the adults were unusually spot on.

I'm not sure if anyone here besides me has read Tyler Dilts' books, but I've heard rumors that the movie rights for the first (A Kingdom of Infinite Space) have been sold and is currently in development under the title Signal Hill. Since it's a mystery series that steps a bit outside of genre formula boundaries, I can deal with a title change to make it more obvious that it's a mystery movie instead of something more literary derived. That said, if they don't keep Det. Tanaka in tact, I'll be rather pissed. True, Tanaka is a tough woman. She teaches martial arts when she's not wrangling with murders. However, if they don't show her toughness in the movie, it will take away from the moments when she is more empathetic and helping her professional partner (main character Danny). I feel the need to emphasize that they are strictly professional partners because there is a fair amount of ambiguity in the books about what exactly their relationship is. Anyway, point is, they can tweak any of the characters except Tanaka. If her characterization is changed, the whole adaptation will run off the rails at light speed.

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