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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-10-13 07:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #2841 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2841 ⌋

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ariakas: (Default)

Re: hitting disobedient children

[personal profile] ariakas 2014-10-14 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
But if a child already understands what they're being punished for, and knows why it was wrong, why do you need to hit them? What does it add to what they now already understand? And if the don't understand, you're using violence against a child who doesn't understand why. How is that effective? (Spoiler: studies show it isn't.)

All it does is teach the child not to repeat the behaviour in front of you, or where you can find out. And it also teaches them to use violence to solve their own problems with other people's behaviour.

The kid already knows you're bigger than they are and can hurt them if you want to. What does corporal punishment establish that some other means of discipline can't?
diet_poison: (Default)

Re: hitting disobedient children

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-10-14 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
And it also teaches them to use violence to solve their own problems with other people's behaviour.

For fucking real.

Re: hitting disobedient children

(Anonymous) 2014-10-14 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
By not understanding what they're being punished for I mean either they don't completely understand consequences of what they did or the punishment comes so long after that they don't connect it with what they did wrong, and to them it's a sudden attack out of nowhere. Like if during a scuffle over a toy they hit Suzy in the face with a toy truck and knocked out her teeth they might not have enough empathy/care that it was wrong, but when they're being punished they should know it's for hitting Suzy.

I can only explain finding hitting a kid acceptable in the same context of how it was used in by my parents: A spanking can be a way to motivate them not to do the bad behavior until they do understand it's wrong or just get in the habit of thinking it's wrong.

Like in the above scenario: I don't mean this to be something done every day for things like if they won't drink their milk or are just sassing back or throwing a temper tantrum in a store because you won't buy them some gum. I mean if they're doing something really wrong - grabbing their sister by the hair and bashing her face into a wall or hefting and threatening to throw a heavy glass ashtray in someone's face. Spanking should be a last-ditch nuclear warhead sort of punishment. Even good kids can have a rare moment of inconsolable rage because they can't express themselves properly. It happens, and saying "Bad" or putting them in a corner isn't enough to stop it or get the point across that it's wrong.

Plus, you don't need to draw way back and lay into it so your arm hurts for 30 smacks to make the point the way a lot of anti-spanking people portray spanking. 2-3 of the same force you'd use to slap yourself a little more awake in the morning is fine. The point is to have a physical action to shock them out of the rage and to act as reinforcement of the words you'll say to explain why what they did was wrong.

And even more important: I mean spanking is appropriate for kids who are generally really good and this is a one-off occurrence where the kid is out of control angry and at an age where they still don't entirely compute the difference between a bashing around a teddy bear out of frustration and really harming another person. A couple light spanks and a long talk involving "see things like that hurt" and appropriate outlets and ways to cope with anger. Spanking alone would never work. It needs to be used along with other techniques.

If the kids have long-lasting anger issues and do that sort of thing regularly, or are of an age where they should be able to understand it's wrong, then spanking isn't appropriate at all and won't do anything to correct behavior.