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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-10-13 07:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #2841 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2841 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-10-14 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
I can't help but feel that this is just another excuse to dismiss female characters.

"Oh, they're the love interest? PASS! They obviously can't be worth anything as a character."

For one thing, characters don't have to a love interest to be flat. For another thing, being a love interest does not automatically equal being flat. For a third thing, there are a lot of things that I've never experienced, but that doesn't mean I can't relate to the character experiencing them. Fourth (and final), even if I can't relate, I don't bash - what's the point?

(Anonymous) 2014-10-14 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
It depends, to me, a lot on how it's done. One thing I really appreciated about Peggy and Steve's romance (even though it was technically unnecessary to the plot of the story) was how the film made it a point to show the parallels between them. Peggy was interesting on her own as a woman fighting for a place in the military in the 1940s. And this meshed really well with Steve, who was always held back because of his size and health. They shared something that made them interesting even WITHOUT them being into one another. I really appreciated seeing Peggy in The Winter Soldier again as a result even though it was (understandably) a short scene.

Where I've consistently been disappointed with Pepper from Iron Man, though, is that SO MUCH of her character revolves around conflict with Tony. I was really excited to watch Iron Man 3 given that she was the CEO, but it seemed as though everything about her problems revolved around Tony. And…I just have a hard time finding that compelling personally.
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[personal profile] dazzledfirestar 2014-10-14 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
Well, Tony Stark is a walking problem so...

And if you watch those movies again, it's interesting how Tony never really saves the day. Especially in IM3, Pepper defeats the villain (and rightfully so since she's the one that's really wronged here), Rhodey saves the President and Tony... Tony's a distraction that takes up space.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-14 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
^ This +1000

(Anonymous) 2014-10-15 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
+1


it seems like a derailing the topic tactic.
misogyny is a thing. Sexism disguised as pro female representation is also a thing. It's also a thing that 90% of the female characters that get hate in fandoms, they get it from people who happen to dislike romantic relationships and love interests only when those involve women but they have no problem relating to characters of the opposite sex who are portrayed (in fanfictions foremost) as people that put a romantic relationship above anything else (career, family etc)