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fandomsecrets2007-12-19 06:26 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2007-12-19 06:26 pm
[ SECRET POST #348 ]
⌈ Secret Post #348 ⌋
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Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 100 secrets from Secret Submission Post #050.
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Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Thursday, December 20th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
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Not necessarily. There are people who post all their drabbles in one post and keep editing. There are people who write daily 2000+ chapters for their fic and crosspost them to every community in the fandom. I haven't seen more spam with drabbles, on the other hand: I've usually found they stay in the respective comms (the whateverfandom100 ones) or drabble memes. I guess this might vary from fandom to fandom, but I honestly haven't seen general fanfic comms spammed with drabbles, or writing journals with one drabble per post.
But you're still assuming that people write drabbles because they don't want to make the effort to write something longer. Of course longer stories are more difficult to write (good drabbles aren't easy, but they're still easier than good novel-length stories, IMHO) but if you're not going to put effort in writing, you're not going to put it in anything. That's where we're never going to agree, I suppose. I see writing drabbles as a choice of style, not a "let's see how many things I can post in the same day" issue.
A drabble community is strictly for drabbles, for people who want to write drabbles and read drabbles and improve at writing drabbles: posting a fic would be against the rule. A fic exchange is about giving and receiving; the only reason to set a length floor would be because generally, people feel like you've put in more effort if they can see it. The first case is about function; the second is about etiquette.
I see your point, but I still think it wasn't the best example. People wouldn't be "thrilled to receive a drabble" in a fic exchange because it's not what they are expecting, not because drabbles are inherently "worse" than longer fics. It has more to do with the situation than with quality in general.
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Let's just get one thing straight. I have never in the course of this entire exchange expressed anything even remotely like this opinion. I think you're either misunderstanding altogether, or intentionally twisting my words. In any case, here's a rundown of points I have made: drabbles are hard to write well in their own rights; not many people are actually that good at writing drabbles (possibly because, again, they are hard); I like reading good drabbles, but hate being spammed with a lot of short mediocre stories; people in fic exchange prefer longer stories, leading the exchanges themselves to set up rules about word limits to that effect; and finally, a bad drabble is easier and takes less time to write than a bad story of considerable length (a point which I still stand by, as not only is this my personal experience, but it also seems quite logical just as).
In fact, I don't even think longer stories are generally more difficult to write, and I don't recall saying that - it was you who said that I thought this, not I. Please don't take my comparison of the bad drabble and the correspondingly bad story and try to turn it around: it doesn't work like that. I do not seek to compare good drabbles to longer stories in any other aspect other than the fic exchange scenario, because I think writing a good drabble and writing a good short story or novel are completely different talents, and what is more, it depends on the writer. I am only interested in quality, so as long as someone writes consistently good drabbles (which, in my experience, I have found to be rare, and consider to be an unfortunate state of affair), I don't give a hoot if they never try anything else or spam my flist to hell and back, I will welcome their works with open arms.
On the final point, the only thing I can say to you is that what that situation boils down to me is: drabbles have their time and place. It's not the same as posting a fic in a drabble community, that's just plain wrong. But as good as a drabble maybe, in some cases, it's just not enough - if for no other reason than that it's short - and I think a fic exchange is one of those cases. The point is not that because a drabble is posted in a fic exchange, it's wrong - but rather that while a drabble should be just fine for an exchange, people generally refrain from doing so. There's a slight but important difference.
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- Writing a good drabble & writing a good story of some length: not the same skill.
- However, a bad drabble is easier to write than an equally bad fic - yes, because it is shorter - hence there are usually more bad drabbles being spammed around. For certain fandoms, I have checked. This annoys me. If people started writing tons of long badfic and spammed them around, that would annoy me too, but for the time being the drabbles are suffering more for it.
- In fic exchanges, people don't usually give drabbles. This has nothing to do with how good you are as a writer, but is only about evening out the playing field, curtailing the potentially awkward situation.
And for God's sake, stop telling me that I hate drabbles and think all drabble writers are lazy. I like drabbles, but if you guys keep trying, you might as well reverse-reverse-psychology me into hating them. I hate the bad drabbles that glut some fandoms. And you know what, sometimes I actually do wish some drabble writers would try something longer. Know why? Because I think they are good writers, and wonder what a long fic from them would be like. Not because I find the drabbles lacking.
People, please don't reply unless you have a new point to make. You've already made me regurgitate my own points over and over; I won't do the same to you.