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[ SECRET POST #2861 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2861 ⌋

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Just a thought here, but romance as a written genre is probably the most lucrative of all of them. So if this secret is real (and not trolling as others suggest), I'd say it ignores a very real aspect of fictional consumption and would never have any true success.

Actual published fiction is very different from fanfiction, though, and there's a lot more "general" published fiction than "general" fanfiction.

Then shouldn't that tell you something about the kind of thing fanfic writers are interested in?

This is exactly like the "There isn't enough fic for this character!" rants.

If people wanted to see them, they'd write them. They don't.

But you just proved the point.

If romance was disallowed on the major fic archives, they wouldn't be major fic archives for very long. Because there is much less gen fic than romance fic.

Authors aren't going to stop writing ship fic. They'll just make their own archives and continue on, likely surpassing the archives that ban romance. So unless a site is existing on the kindness and large pockets of its owner, websites want hits. Want hits? Have ship fic. Because that is what the largest portion of fan-people read.

Then you'd want THOSE archives to disallow romance fic, because suddenly THEY'RE the popular archives. And it goes round and round the mulberry bush.

AYRT

Oh, I'm well aware that it's a pipe dream. But it's still a dream, and an honestly held opinion.

Maybe find better ways of expressing yourself and how you handle criticism, OP. That is what most people is taking issue with here.

Not so. Romance, as a genre, comprises about 50% of all fiction sales. "General fiction" gets to share the other 50% with SFF, mysteries, and horror.

***Actual published fiction is very different from fanfiction, though, and there's a lot more "general" published fiction than "general" fanfiction.***

Can you prove this? Because it sounds more like something you want to believe than something that's actually true.

If you added up all the romance novel sales, and then all other fiction with a romance element, you'd be well into the majority of all published fiction. Most bestsellers have some sort of romance element, even ones that are sold as YA, sci fi, crime etc.

Romance/erotica clocks in over $1 billion sales per year. The next genre down iirc is crime/mystery, which earns around half that.

But your second point is the most interesting to me because it might explain why a lot of people consider anything where the main focus isn't romance to be gen. Because there's A LOT of romantic threads and elements in crime and mystery fiction, but because it's not the focus it doesn't get called romance. Same with many other genres (YA, SFF, etc.).

I think publishing houses deliberately play down the romance elements of their output because it's not cool, even though most fiction contains romance.

Romance is a women's thing. It will put men off buying. It's not prestigious.

Yet romance not only sells, most books actually feel odd without some element of it. Thus the polite cover up.

"most books actually feel odd without some element of it."

Because it's a huge part of the human experience, and books reflect the human experience.

And that's coming from an aromantic.

And then some genficcers get annoyed when a plotty fic with a strong romantic theme is "mistagged" as gen. But that's exactly what published fiction does. For example, a crime novel with a strong romance story line in it is never put on the romance shelf.

I realize it's not the be-all-end-all, but as a huge representative of somewhere people buy fiction, Amazon doesn't even have a General Fiction category OR a Romance category as separate and distinct entities.

SA

I tell a lie, Romance is its own category outside the Literature & Fiction category. Which also says a lot.

It does say a lot.

It's making me laugh, in fact. Romance is not literature!!!!

It's ingrained snootiness like this, even in Amazon's category divisions, that meant that I deliberately didn't read any novel marked romance for many years, believing romance to be a ridiculous, niche genre.

Perhaps they even do this deliberately, to make reading less threatening for a certain style of reader? At the same time, making other books by implication not-romance, they boost the snob factor of general literature, even though those books also probably contain romance in them.

To be fair, I think the separation may have more to do with the size of the genre than anything else. Mysteries and Sci-Fi/Fantasy gets their own category too.

However a look at the first page of Genre Fiction returns mostly romantic-centric books, so you have to wonder about the classification at all.

There still isn't anything close to "General Fiction". Which makes sense, because most fiction, barring avant-garde experimental stuff, is about something, so "General Fiction" in and of itself sounds like a nebulous misnomer.

Genficcers will usually use the "published fiction isn't fanfiction" line. In fact, I seem to recall dreemyweird using that exact line a couple days ago.

But it's like, okay, so you'll accept hints of romance in a book you buy at Barnes & Noble but you won't accept it in a fic? Why? If it's in the background in both cases, then what makes the difference?

No difference at all, except that their egos are huge enough that they imagine fanfic writers will bend over backwards to their demands whereas published authors won't.

And even when it does it doesn't always get the tag. I've seen people complaining about "stealth romances" before, and I've seen them myself - a romance book with genre trappings that for some reason won't admit it's a romance. so even in original fiction, people mis-tag. :)

Romance as a theme can exist in a wide variety of genres. If the plot turns on the other genre, it gets classified as such. It doesn't mean anyone tried to shove it in stealthily -- on the contrary, the book would get a wider audience and more marketing if it was sold as a romance.

And if you think the author has any say whatsoever on the genre the publisher decides to sell the book under, you're very much mistaken. We don't decide, they do, based on where they think the book will sell best.

No one 'mis-tags'. Genfic, if such a thing truly exists at all -- and I don't think it does -- is something different for everyone.

I've had a book sent back for R&R because it wasn't what that editor (and the publisher they worked for) deemed romance-centric enough and that the other plot threads were drowning it out. I'd have labelled it pretty clear-cut romance and it sold to a different publisher as exactly that without making the changes the first house wanted.

So yes, agreed that it's not the writer who's responsible for how/where their books get marketed. One publisher's "thriller with romantic elements" is anothers "romance."

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