[ SECRET POST #2867 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2867 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

I found the spirk fan, lol

Even in a secret that doesn't mention other characters and ships you guys have to bait shipper wars.

Kirk/McCoy ftw, btw

But any relationship not influenced by destiny or Spock prime and shit is better than kirk/spock
At least they are unporedictable and original.

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

It's just a damn shame Spock/Uhura couldn't have happened in TOS or with the TOS writers who were far superior. Leonard and Nichelle had a great dynamic too.

But I disagree with you on "destiny" or Spock prime -- never really liked that aspect. I think the best thing Kirk/Spock has going for it is Pine and Quinto's great chemistry and the fact that the writers have clearly superior writers (from TOS) to draw from when writing their relationship.

Although I do like Kirk/McCoy in the new films as well. That probably benefits from Urban being a HUGE TOS fan and drawing from Kelley.

And it'd be interesting to see what Saldana and Quinto could do with better material from better writers but…well…they're kind of stuck there, unfortunately.

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately, something being unpredictable and original doesn't make it better.

Especially because in the reboots, unpredictable means "comes out of nowhere and makes no sense with no build up."

While original means the writers can't rely on TOS for support and thus it sucks completely since they're doing it on their own. And they don't have a the writing ability to pull anything off better than freaking Transformers.

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

"Especially because in the reboots, unpredictable means "comes out of nowhere and makes no sense with no build up."

You described the reason why OP dislikes k/s

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

Except…K/S isn't canon. The reboots show how they go from disliking each other to grudging respect to friendship. Which gives it a lot more leeway than something like the canon relationship of Spock and Uhura which the writers couldn't even be bothered to develop. Just stuck them together to advance Spock's emotional development supposedly.

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

Nonsense. They're both relationships and both criticized for the same reason here:bad writing.
Romance isn't the only kind of relationship that can be badly written. And the k/s friendship is the main thing in these movies, unlike s/u, the fact that their friendship has no build up and sucks overal is more serious and worse because the writers have all the screentime and chances to do well with them, but they just don't.

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you think it's bad writing -- you're entitled to that opinion.

And I'll agree that it's not perfect by any stretch.

But, from where I'm standing, it's far and away the best written aspect of the reboot films which, as I've said, I believe is precisely because they can rely on TOS so much. And TOS had much, much better writers.

I think their relationship has the best build up in the new films. We see them go from dislike, to being forced to work together and developing respect and tolerance of one's abilities, to caring about one another as members of the crew, to deeply understanding one another's thought processes and becoming friends. In my opinion, that's a well-developed arc.

It's certainly a TON more than Spock and Uhura who are just together from the get-go (with no explanation, no scenes of them falling in love or even just being friends first) even when Spock is acting like a tool.

That's my opinion.

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no it's not. You have the second movie TELLING YOU that these two are best friends, but I don't believe it one bit. Not after the lukewarm grudging respect in the first film. That kind of "best friendship" takes YEARS to build that they are trying to say is there and the gap between the films is nowhere near that.

Also, the fact that this "friendship" was built in the game that most people didn't even play? Yeah, no. That's bad writing.

Reguardless of Spock/Uhura and any other relationship in the films, Kirk/Spock is handled badly and shits all over the TOS version. And I LIKE the movies.