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Re: Blown out the water by Spock/Uhura!
(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 02:03 am (UTC)(link)Sorry, but I don't think that Kirk needs Spock and viceversa. I struggle to comprehend where Spock actually proved to be someone worth to have as a friend or where Kirk gave Spock a reason to see friendship. How they can be more friends than others on that ship? The fact that they are called Kirk and Spock is not enough for me. Lets be real here.
Would they even care to try it if Spock Prime hadn't influenced them telling them they would be friends? Honest. Would you try to seek friendship in their place? They disliked each other and are such opposites.
Friendship is what I have with my friends and nothing about them is relatable to me. I have better relationships with my co-workers!
Spock was emotionally compromised after what happened to him and everything Kirk cared about was how HE felt. he was racist with Spock. He didn't like him why bother trying to get friendship from him? It's like a girl actively seeking abusive relationships. Why should Spock consider him a friend btw? What he did to deserve the word? Because he saved him? The whole crew did that just like the whole crew saved Kirk in the end, not just Spock. The whole crew cared about them both.
They are co-workers and not that great as a team either but I give them a pass on that. But in private? I don't remember them getting to know each other or Kirk asking Spock if he needed someone to talk with after the tragedy that had just happened to him.
These two individuals are troubled on their own and need a friend but clearly the other can't furfill that role yet because they are both a mess.
I think the writers should develop them more separately first before making them friends, too. They are too complex for their backstory to get ignored just because you have to make them friends so fast and expect the audience to buy it and give you a free pass when it is ooc and not half realistic.
Re: Blown out the water by Spock/Uhura!
(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 02:17 am (UTC)(link)Spock Prime convinced Spock to stay on the Enterprise. However, Kirk is the one who taught him that the rules aren't everything (when he goes to save him) and that you need to play on your enemies weaknesses (when he uses the torpedoes against Harrison). Similarly, Spock taught Kirk about taking responsibility and to be able to set aside his emotion and see the morality/immorality of his actions.
That is no small thing and I can definitely see how it brings them closer together. They influence each other deeply.
That they recognize what the other would have done (correctly) at the end of the film is a testament to that.
In both their cases, I wouldn't mind more development, but I can certainly say that I think they're far more developed than any of the other characters.
At very least, the Kirk and Spock relationship has an outline to go by. Which is more than I can say for much of anything else in the reboots, unfortunately.
Re: Blown out the water by Spock/Uhura!
(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 09:10 am (UTC)(link)_____
Complement each other doesn't mean, in a way, they need each other? They just don't.
Like in the last movie I don't get why Spock is not the captain when he is so better and more competent anyway but that's me.
Kirk can have better friends in McCoy, Scotty, Uhura or Pike, his mentor. He has nothing to do with Spock and Spock has nothing to do with him.
To say that they make each other better too....Kirk seems to bring the worst in him, actually, when he doesn't look like Sylar he's reduced to a parody of himself just to pay homage to a scene that these characters haven't earned one bit. He's out of character.
It seems irony that you claim they make each other better when some of their worst moments in the movies where they act as an immature ass is the scenes they have with each other.
They should have asked for a transfer.
Re: Blown out the water by Spock/Uhura!
(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)So, yes, I think Spock and Kirk complement each other. I've given examples that, I think, demonstrate this.
As for who is captain, I agree that is a mess. But It doesn't affect how I see Kirk and Spock's relationship.
And of course Kirk can be friends with others. However I find that, in Star Trek Into Darkness, the gradual closeness he develops with Spock and how they come to love and respect each other really shines. That's simply my opinion.
From what I can tell, Kirk and Spock bring out the best in one another and it works precisely because they can fall back and rely on the writing in TOS.