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Comments

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

There is no comparision indeed because you compare apples and oranges.
The romance is a secondary subplot. You could compare it to Kirk/McCoy if you want, but not k/s.
S/u is not the be all and end all of the story for the writers. They don't get together in the movies either because they already are an item when the story is told. I'm sure you have watched other movies or tv-shows with romantic subplots, you can't say that you knew everything about Sarek/Amanda either.
The romance in these movies takes 5 minutes of screentime in each movie and when compared to similar movies, the writers do it, surprisingly, well with so little screentime.

Kirk and Spock, on the other hand, are the story for the writers. They are the main characters and get most of the screentime at the expense even of their own story as individuals (do you know Kirk's uncle was abusive and his childhood was shit?) so there is no excuse for the writers because they have plenty of chances to make them great and they just don't.
They have all the screentime and yet, it feels like a token friendship. We only care because of the name of the characters and use TOS to explain a dynamic b/w different characters.

Bashing other relationships, especially those that are secondary, to justify the flaws in k/s is stupid.

Re: Still better than Spock/Uhura

[(Anonymous)]

"they're already an item when the story is told" -- and that's a big problem because they never explain how and why someone with Spock's emotional hangups would be able to accept having a significant other. This is a man who came to understand what friendship meant in the sequel (STID -- according to Quinto at least) so how in the world is he ready for a girlfriend?

And, actually, the 2009 film does a terrible job. Look at something like Captain America: The First Avenger. Steve does not have Spock's hang ups about emotion and love for one. AND, they show us WHY Steve and Peggy like each other. Steve likes her spirit (look at how she smiles when she punches the man insulting her) but, more importantly, they know what it's like to have been denied opportunities because of how they were born. Peggy mentions it in the car for example. This film does a much, much better job of showing how/why they fell in love with each other. We at least see a PROGRESSION over the film. It's not just BOOM, they're together for reasons. Side pairings like Sarek/Amanda I'm more forgiving of because neither of them are the main character. But Spock and Steve are both main characters so there's no excuse there.

Kirk and Spock's story, in my opinion, is the most interesting and compelling part of the new films. It's also has some well written moments when the writers are drawing form TOS.

If you think criticism of an element that didn't work for you is "stupid" you're welcome to hold that opinion. I don't. Feel free to criticize the K/S relationship. Like I said, I may even agree with some of your points (like that it relies too much on the TOS relationship). However, overall, my opinion stands.