fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #2867 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2867 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.

__________________________________________________

02.

__________________________________________________

03.

__________________________________________________

04.

__________________________________________________

05.

__________________________________________________

06.

__________________________________________________

07.

__________________________________________________

08.

__________________________________________________

09.

__________________________________________________

10.

__________________________________________________

11.

__________________________________________________

12.

__________________________________________________

13.

Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 088 secrets from Secret Submission Post #410.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - random image ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

I don't think they cut that part b/c they thought it made k/s look bad as much as I think they cut it because they anticipated the scene where Khan showed up and saved Kirk.

"And given that it contradicts what's onscreen, it's obviously not canon. "

Spock is all business-like in the scene when Kirk and Khan space jump from the Enterprise to the Vengeance too. His captain risks to miss the ship and die in the vacuum of outer space (or worse hit the ship and die from the impact) but he's cool. In fact, McCoy himself sarcastically points up that Spock is too cold and Kirk even comments on his bedside manners because of his flat tone when telling him he had no chance to make it to the ship.

The deleted scene didn't contradict anything because before the death scene Spock had been his Spock self for most of the movie and never gets so emotional.
It's a valid point, so, that the deleted scene shows that Spock wasn't controlled only about Uhura being in danger there but Kirk too. It's consistent with the character: he doesn't show his feelings so much and most of the time he's controlled. Doesn't mean he doesn't care, he's just more subtle than Kirk and Uhura.

You seem to believe that he must have the same reaction Kirk has for his concern for Uhura to matter and I disagree. I can't look at his eyes in that scene and think he's happy that his girlfriend is in danger. It's stupid. Maybe I'm giving too much credit to Zachary Quinto, IDK, but really.

And Spock standing next to her is hardly what I'd call intimate, to be honest.

it doesn't matter if it's intimate for you, whatever that means for you. The point is that in a dramatic moment when they were about to die (or so they believe), his first concern is for his woman and it's her that he wants to be close to and he doesn't want her to die alone.
You say that Spock didn't care for Uhura but you're turning a blind eye to moments (even in the video) that contradict that just because Spock is not a human like Kirk and he cannot be over the top about his feelings all the time because it makes no sense for his character.

As for deleted scenes -- they aren't in the film so, unfortunately, they can't be judged in the context of the film. The filmmakers clearly thought them contradictory/unimportant so I can't include them. We have no idea how they would be intercut in the film and what would be different if they were included. It's also an alternative take of a scene (instead of one that was removed for running time) which means it's obviously going to contradict aspects in the final film.

"Spock is all business-like in the scene when Kirk and Khan space jump from the Enterprise to the Vengeance too."

No he isn't. He follows Kirk and is passionate. Note how he GRABS Kirk's shoulder (physical contact is a HUGE deal for Vulcans) and states "I cannot allow you to do this!" with real emotion in his voice. It isn't until Kirk confesses that he has no idea what he's supposed to do and that the ship needs Spock more than him in the chair that Spock lets him go.

And, ummm…of course it matters if it's intimate to me or not. It's how I see the movie that matters TO ME. He goes and stands next to her. So? Why should I consider that more intimate than, say, when he grabs Kirk's shoulder right before Kirk goes to make the jump?

As for Spock not being human -- it's well established that he frequently loses his cool when the people he loves are in danger. In TOS, he freaks out when Kirk confronts the Horta and after Jim comes back in Amok Time. In the new films, he freaks out for his mother and Kirk. That's pretty consistent.

I don't think I'm asking for much to see some kind of strong reaction from him when his girlfriend is in danger.

I didn't say he was happy. He doesn't look happy. But he looks much more unfazed and in control of himself compared to when his mother or Kirk was in danger/hurt.

If you are satisfied with that or interpret it differently, then good for you. I am not. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

That you are a spirk fan is obvious, but you're taking this petty shipper war too seriously now. Your ranting all over the thread just reads like a defensive shipper seeking validation.
It's really sad that trek is now reduced to a competition between Kirk and Uhura for the prize of Spock's affection. Feels like kindergarten.

You were supposed to be better star trek fandom.

Um…okay?

I'm just stating my opinion, dude. I've said it again and again that I don't demand anyone to agree with me and that everyone's entitled to their own opinion and to interpret the films how they see fit. It's great that people can get different things out of film.

We disagree on the writing -- you like Spock/Uhura and dislike the Kirk and Spock friendship while I'm the opposite. And that's fine. You don't need to be "wrong" for me to be "right" and I don't need to be "wrong" for you to be "right." It's a film -- a piece of art -- which means our interpretation of it is subjective.

I don't see why discussing how I interpret the films and the aspects I like and don't like about it is "petty." But if that's what you believe then go ahead.

I haven't called you names or attacked your character or made suggestions about your motivations or insulted you so I truly don't understand why you feel as though I'm doing something "wrong" for writing out my opinion.

Spock, Uhura, and Kirk aren't real and I think it's perfectly fair game to discuss where the writing worked and where it fell short for me.

[ SECRET POST #2867 ]

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject