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And how it doesn't work and serves to put (mostly) women at risk. There's an awful lot of academic work on this, and it all shows it doesn't work to shrink the market, and leads to greater harm outside a select view discredited pieces that get repeated endlessly. That doesn't matter when compared to ideological commitments to not allowing the co-modification of sexuality in an unequal patriarchal society apparently.

'commodification'

also, can you link to some of these pieces that discredit it, and clarify precisely what you think the intended purpose of such laws to be?

Let's not.

What do you mean by shrink the market? As in less sellers and buyers? Because from what I can find it has shrunk the market.

I am also confused as to what you want to discuss? How they should change the law? If so, I think they need to legalize prostitution fully but require workers to have a license. Unlicensed workers should receive penalties. The license would have an age requirement along with mandatory health tests.

You don't often see trolls who are as upfront about trolling as this. Kudos for your sheer bloody nerve, Trolly.

Buddy, I was the one that started that vaccine thing yesterday. You're not gonna beat me (especially on the next friggin'day), just accept it.

It was very clever, Stella.

Stella doesn't post anon.

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

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(Anonymous) - 2014-11-10 04:21 (UTC) - Expand

Oh, honey, I wish. I don't have a screenname here to begin with. Although there's no good reason to believe me when I say that.

I am more curious about why you think fandomsecrets is a suitable place to discuss this. Not because it's inappropriate, idgaf, but what kinds of responses are you even expecting.

I assume they're anticipating something along the lines of "OH MY GOD, BUT WHAT ABOUT MY SEX POSITIVE FEMINISM, I AM COMPLETELY OUTRAGED ABOUT THIS AND LOSING MY SHIT IN A WAY THAT YOU, AS A TROLL, WOULD PROBABLY FIND REALLY FUNNY"

I don't understand why they think the average FS goer would even be informed about the Swedish model of sex work to have an opinion in the first place.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-11-10 00:38 (UTC) - Expand

I'd love to see these 'sex-positive feminists' turn tricks for six months. I'll bet they'd stop thinking of prostitution as 'empowering'. Hell, I think 6 hours would do it.

it's about ethics in legalization of prostitution journalism

burn down your house and find funnier jokes

Okay and what response do they expect FS to have to that. What is the point of posting it here?

Eh, I think it's actually common knowledge at this point that the women in it are still largely exploited if not straight up trafficked in from poorer countries under false pretenses. There have been quite few articles on it already. Everybody knows. Women from a position of wealth and privilege don't wake up one morning and decide that what they really want is an astronomically high risk of STDs in their career.

But the question, to me, has to be: does the legalization make it easier, or harder, to fight human trafficking? does the legalization make it easier, or harder, to prevent exploitation? does the legalization make it easier, or harder, to ensure that these women have adequate medical treatment, police protection, etc?

I honestly have no idea because it's not something I've ever researched. Sounds like something Google Scholar might be able to help you with.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-11-09 21:57 (UTC) - Expand

And so the gurus you turn to in order to find answers is fandomsecrets?

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(Anonymous) - 2014-11-09 21:57 (UTC) - Expand

I actually just wrote an essay on this, funnily enough. Which is why I'm bothering to reply at all. Not saying that it was an amazing essay, or that I read all the available literature, but my impression is that 1) legalisation does make it easier to ensure medical treatment, police protection, etc, and also - and this is crucial - give the workers power to negotiate in their work place, i.e. choose their clients and not be controlled by the whims of their brothel owners who say, might decide that they can't use condoms because clients don't like them.

But there are also problems in the rhetoric of the politics around sex trafficking: there are parts of the US TVPA (Trafficking Victims Protection Act) that allows the US to put economic sanctions on other countries that don't have an anti-prostitution approach to stopping sex-trafficking, even though such approaches might not be in the best interests of the sex workers or might even harm their human rights - see Cambodia after it passed anti-prostitution laws a few years ago, and got criticised for the fact they allow sex workers to be detained in rehabilitation facilities indefinitely.

Also, NGOs that are anti-trafficking often have a skewed idea of how sex trafficking works - that external agents pick up women who are migrating for economic reasons and trick them into sex work. When really a lot of the studies show (at least from what I've read of sex work within Asia) that most commonly the 'agents' encouraging women into sex work are actually their friends and family, other people in the same village, and that often, even if women don't like the work, they stay because it's still preferable to say, back-breaking subistence farming in their poor hometown. Which basically means that sometimes some NGOs' work - raiding and rescuing women from brothels, for instance - is not actually helpful, and, in some cases, because they discourage clients, and make brothel owners more draconian, actually make sex workers' situations more unstable and financially vulnerable.

That's my two cents, anyway.

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solticisekf - 2014-11-10 00:18 (UTC) - Expand

You lost me at the string of buzzwords near the end. Liberals do need to stop thinking everything Northern Europe does is automatically feminist though. Case in point:

Netherlands: Prostitution is legal.
North American Liberals: OMG SO FEMINIST!
Iceland: Strip clubs are illegal.
NALs: OMG SO FEMINIST!

Strip clubs are legal in the US.

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-10 00:11 (UTC) - Expand

I just reread your trolly post (you do not write clearly jsyk). I am the anon who posted about sex work in Cambodia somewhere in this thread, btw.

And, you know what? I actually agree with you to the extent that I think legalisation is a better option than decriminalisation.

But I do think F!S is a stupid place to discuss this.

After living in both Amsterdam and Stockholm I can't say it made a shite load of difference in the amount of reporting about women being abused. Or the general amount of red lights districts you have to cross.

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