[ SECRET POST #2872 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2872 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

10. http://i.imgur.com/2B2EFvA.jpg

[ninety6tears]

I almost have this weird "It's so wonderfully unpredictable that the man and woman are just friends that I ship it so hard" mentality that doesn't really make sense. Maybe because so many romance relationships are badly developed by comparison to the friendships, at least in a lot of fandoms.

[sabotabby]

Maybe because so many romance relationships are badly developed by comparison to the friendships, at least in a lot of fandoms.

I think you've hit the nail on the head, actually. The vast majority of things that I ship are long-established friendships, which tend to be same-sex in most media. (Whereas het ships are, "pretty people meet cute, instant chemistry," and I find this less interesting, especially since the woman is usually underdeveloped as a character.) A long-term male/female friendship will likely hit exactly the same buttons for me. Of the ones listed here, I only know Dax/Sisko (which isn't really het as such) but it's a really interesting ship to me because they're both well-developed characters, they have a history that's hinted about but largely unexplored in canon, and they have shared interests beyond being good-looking.

[diet_poison]

For me one reason I have a tendency to do that (not always, but often) is because I think the best romances begin as friendships. So if they have a lot of chemistry, I like the idea of it transitioning from the one to the other, with trust already established.

[(Anonymous)]

Het. Girl. Goggles.

[(Anonymous)]

But I'm a het dude and I kind of feel the same way???

SA, revised

[(Anonymous)]

Het. In General. Goggles.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I'm bisexual actually, and have been involved with both men and women. But thanks for your pointless comment.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

GOGGLES!

[(Anonymous)]

I'm an asexual girl who has het ships that are platonic as well as romantic, so...

[(Anonymous)]

Het. And / or girl. Goggles. Was clearly what OP meant to say.

[philstar22]

This is pretty much me. I could have made this secret. Although, it is pretty true for male/male and female/female friendships for me too. I just like shipping really close friends. The dynamic of people being comfortable and knowing each other and developing romantic feelings slowly just really, really works for me.

Also, I thought I was the only one who shipped Jadzia/Sisco, although I OTP Jadzia/Worf.

[(Anonymous)]

I really dislike people having close friendships and then slowly developing romantic feelings. I like my friends to stay friends, and my romances to stay romances. In fact, this "slow friends to lovers" stuff gives me the crawling heebie-jeebies, to be honest, because it would be my worst nightmare in real life. Ten times more so for het relationships than m/m or f/f. Every male/female friendship that turns into romance that wasn't hinted from the beginning feels like someone invalidating my existence and my feelings and relationships as something that "just doesn't really happen and isn't very valuable, lol".

Yes I know how silly this sounds. It's just what I FEEL, not what I think.

[philstar22]

That' totally understandable. We all like the things we like and dislike the things we dislike, and relationships don't have to look the same. I used to think that there was a right and wrong way to do romance (and ships), but I've come to realize that different types of relationships work for different people.

Personally the friends to lovers thing is exactly what I want in real life. I want to fall for someone I'm comfortable with and who I can talk with. My parents were best friends for years before they fell in love, as were many of the other couples i know in real life. So this is the model I have of a good relationship. It's what I know.

[(Anonymous)]

I really dislike it too, but only in fiction. The reason is that as soon as there's romance, in 99% of cases, the female character gets written as if there's nothing else going on in her life apart from the man, and her storylines get subsumed to his. And she has to be not quite as awesome as him so he doesn't get unmanned. And I was almost always watching for the female character anyway, so I get disgusted and switch off.

Examples; Scully/Mulder, Bones/Booth, Ororo/T'Challa
Exception: Aeryn/John
Unusual exception: JJ/Will on Criminal Minds - because he's not a main character and she is.

[kallanda_lee]

I...actually manage not to most of he time. But I really like well-portrayed friendship dynamics in general.

[(Anonymous)]

A friendship requires some actual character development plus chemistry to pull off on TV or in movies. For movies to ship people canonically, they only have to have opposite sexy bits.

Yeah, that sounds cynical, but think about it--it's fucking true.

That's both why you want more friendships (they have something more honest in them, like actual chemistry IMO), and why you ship some of them. (They have the chance for two people to actually connect in a meaningful way, not just because they happen to have girl bits and boy bits.)

[anonymous4]

Yay, The Killing! (Though I shipped Lund with Troels Hartmann).

I'm similar -- I enjoy the friendship, and don't really want it to turn into romance, but still sort of enjoy wishing it would...

[elaminator]

I enjoy the friendship, and don't really want it to turn into romance, but still sort of enjoy wishing it would...

That's a great way to explain it. Sometimes I get like that... I enjoy the thought of the pairing, but I'm not sure if I would be okay with it actually becoming canon. (Am so behind on Elementary, but it's a great example.)

[(Anonymous)]

Omg Forbrydelsen aka the best show ever

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with this. It's probably because male and female characters who have platonic relationships avoid so many horrible het romance cliches.

[intrigueing]

I'm pretty much the exact opposite -- male/female friendships are the one situation where I get so invested in their platonicity that I (privately) go "NO UR RONG" and cling stubbornly to my rare, undervalued, drowned little m/f no-romance-whatsoever friendships when it comes to shipping, rather than "hey I think both interpretations are interesting!" or "eh, fine, whatever you like!"

However, intellectually, the reasons all the people in this thread give about how people writing fictional friendships actually bother to make them have actual chemistry and reasons to like each other, and avoid stupid het romance tropes, make a lot of sense and I like it a lot. Intellectually. I will still (privately, in my mind) cut Jack/Liz shippers...

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, same here.

[nightscale]

This happens to me a fair bit too, but I fall prey to it with all types of friendships(m/f, m/m and f/f), I imagine it's because the two characters already have a layer of love and trust so for me it translates easily into shipping.

[(Anonymous)]

Sisko/Jadzia!!! I think they were my very first BROTP. <3 <3 <3