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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-11-14 06:56 pm

[ SECRET POST #2873 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2873 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
The problem here is with the "nothing but." Social attitudes influence media. And, as you may have noticed, a lot of social attitudes are pretty negative.

Also, as noted in the comments here, slightly more men than women fantasize about being raped. So, if the Rape is Love trope is nothing but the literary application of a fantasy, then why isn't there as much, if not more, fiction where the roles in the trope are reversed? Doesn't that tell you that something a bit more is going on?

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
What are you talking about? There's lot of femdom shit out there, nobody cared for it because nobody thinks men are stupid helpless idiots to be protected at all times.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure you think this false equivalency is very clever, but have you SEEN the rape stats? The constant excusing of rape and rapists? The default "send a rape threat" when any woman stands up in public and dares to say pretty much anything with any authority?

Context matters. And if you really think that the real-life context of femdom is the same as the real-life context of male on female sexual violence then, bluntly, you are stupid.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 07:58 am (UTC)(link)
Real life has nothing to do with what happens inside a piece of fiction.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you really think that fiction exists inside a vacuum as complete as space and that real life plays absolutely no part at all in how it's written and how people negotiate it?

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Why yes. Narcissism isn't cultural and this is a narcissistic fantasy.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Femdom isn't Rape is Love. Dom in general isn't Rape is Love.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Must be why most straight women don't care for it.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 01:13 pm (UTC)(link)
The naming is biased though.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean

"For the latest report (Bivona, J. and J. Critelli. "The Nature of Women's Rape Fantasies: An Analysis of Prevalence, Frequency, and Contents," Journal of Sex Research (2009) 46:33), psychologists at North Texas University asked 355 college women: How often have you fantasized being overpowered/forced/raped by a man/woman to have oral/vaginal/anal sex against your will?

Sixty-two percent said they'd had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being "overpowered by a man," 52 percent said they'd had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women's romance fiction. But when the term was "rape," only 32 percent said they'd had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports."

Women who have this fantasy don't see it as being raped, so of course they're not gonna call it a rape fantasy. Yaoi fangirls and creators identifying with the uke and saying the uke wasn't raped anyone?

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Women who have this fantasy don't see it as being raped

My thought is that they don't want to see it as rape. Or to label it as such. They're most likely just shying away from the word and all the Unfortunate Things it may say about them, in their eyes. I mean, isn't that why most rape fics are tagged non-con, because it's a less absolute term than rape?

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Even putting all the implications of rape as a horrible thing to experience in real life aside, if you're imagining sex you want to happen to you or to your character and rape is sex you do not want, it doesn't make much sense to call it rape does it? Unless you make it socially acceptable for people to say "I want to be raped" and "I want this and that to be forced on me because I like being forced."

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
eh, since it's a fantasy it's difficult, but i'd say if you imagine someone forcing you to have sex without your permission even though you're okay with it and it's sexy to you, it's still rape b/c there's no obvious consent involved in the fantasy.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
And that's where the other problem comes in, when people go "oh look, a rape story!" and then complain because they're presented with a sweet story of two people falling in love rather than someone getting tortured/humiliated/degraded/all that stuff that happens with real rape. Thus much shitposting about rape culture and stockholm syndrome and victim blaming ensues.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I think they call it rape because that's part of the fantasy, being forced. If they are looking for this to happen in real life, I imagine it's going to have the same kinds of rules and control as those who practice BDSM in real life.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't like to call it rape because people then tend to get mad at me that I'm portraying rape as romantic and it's stockholm syndrome and I don't know what rape is and shit crap poop blah.

(Anonymous) 2014-11-15 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
SA

When I all want is to write about two people having sex and falling in love the way I like.

:/