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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-11-15 03:33 pm

[ SECRET POST #2874 ]


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OP

(Anonymous) 2014-11-16 10:27 am (UTC)(link)
I disagree. I believe that using sexuality as "power" actually keeps women in a subservient, pleasing, lesser position to men in that a) not all women have access to it. Very young girls don't, although sometimes they try to use sex as power because they're taught that female power must be sexual from a young age, and that backfires on them. Older women who no longer embody commercial/conventional ideals of what is sexually desirable by men don't have that kind of power either. It's a kind of power that only exist with a narrow framework. b) It's a power that exists because women who use it mould their sexuality into something pleasing for men. It's forces women to subvert their true sexual selves into something artificial, commercial, etc.

Why do you think so many women are starving themselves and getting plastic surgery? Because they think it's the only route to power.

Sexuality is personal. It should be celebrated on a personal level, not used for power, not USED for anything other than pleasure.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2014-11-16 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmm. This is very second wave feminism, OP. It's as if you're saying acknowledging your sexuality somehow makes you into some sort of subservient doormat. How enlightened and empowering is it to deny an entire aspect of yourself just in case men get the wrong idea? And how empowering is it for any woman to agree to only use her sexuality as you see fit rather than how she sees fit to use it?

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2014-11-16 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL. Get out of the '70s, OP. Sexuality is not that static. It changes over time.
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Re: OP

[personal profile] siofrabunnies 2014-11-16 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
1. My 65-year-old neighbor goes tongue-tied when his 63-year-old wife bends over in front of him. Also, look into std rates in nursing homes. Old people bone... a lot.

1.a. You don't have to change yourself to be sexually appealing. Just because you're not ScarJo doesn't mean someone won't fall head over heels for you. There is someone out there who would cross heaven and hell to fuck your brains out. There's a reason for Rule 34. There are people out there who sincerely, non-fetishizingly prefer women who are, well, very fat. There are people who prefer flat-chestedness, androgyny, major body modification. This woman, born with no lower half (and neither is she typically beautiful in the face) has a "normal sex life" with her husband, and they've had at least two kids.

1.b. Just because a woman follows conventional standards doesn't mean she's giving in or being subservient. A woman can actually just enjoy looking hot for herself and not give a damn about what men think. Look at something like r/makeupaddiction. Those are women who, if you ask most of them, don't care what their male people think about it, because they just like playing with color or feeling dolled up. For them, it's just a hobby.

1.c. Just because some women fall into the trap of "beauty/sex is the only route to power" doesn't mean that they're correct. Some women (and men, of course) abuse their physical strength, via bar fights or something. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be allowed to have strength, or that strength itself is the problem. It just means those people are incorrect. Just because some asshole at the bar doesn't understand that you don't break chairs over people's heads shouldn't restrict me from joining bodybuilding competitions. If a woman wants to get a breast augmentation, that's her choice. If she feels happier afterwards, it's not my place to feel sorry for her. Go her! She did something that made herself happy!

1.d Many women who feel empowered by sexuality feel so because they're using a man's own hormones/impulses against him. If you feel empowered by wearing heels, and it makes a guy walk into a telephone pole, it's a heady feeling. It's being able to say, "You can't even look at me without reverting to instinct. I don't even have to do anything, and this happens. Can you imagine what would happen if I did?" I can look at my husband in that certain way, and it derails any plans he had for the next hour or two, and I'm no model.

2. Just because some people can't access a source of power doesn't mean that those who can access it shouldn't. That's like saying someone who is physically strong can't lift heavy things because weaker people exist. Or that rich people shouldn't spend money, because not everyone has money to spend.

The route to equality doesn't lie in taking away women's options, but in increasing the options they have. (Also in increasing men's options, because they have different ones, but that's not the point right now.)

Also, I'm sorry if this sounds overly defensive. It's a subject I'm pretty passionate about, but I don't want to sound like I'm yelling at you just because you disagree with me.
Edited 2014-11-16 21:46 (UTC)