[ SECRET POST #2876 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2876 ⌋

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[The Boxtrolls]


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[One Piece]


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[Hockey RPF, Patrick Kane]


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[The Silmarillion]


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[Meghan Trainor: All About That Bass]


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[Radiant Historia]


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[Twin Peaks]


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[Meghan Trainor]


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[Taylor Swift]



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[Star Wars]













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Comments

Re: Male clothing

[(Anonymous)]

The number of fashion options that's culturally available to men is much, much smaller than that available to women. Likewise jewelry, hair, makeup, and basically all forms of plumage. It's a problem. Yes, there are tradeoffs, in that men's clothing is properly sizes, durable, and has pockets. And yes, this is because of the deep-seated cultural idea that men are supposed to be useful and women are supposed to be decorative. But even given those, the options remain more limited, and that remains a problem.

And don't say "You can wear yellow spandex if you want to!" like that's a realistic option for most people who have to live in the real world. It's like saying "If you think there's too much sexism at your job, you can just quit and get a job somewhere else that's less sexist!"

Re: Male clothing

[(Anonymous)]

are you kidding NO

I being like 'the number of fashion options that's available is much less' is like going 'all women can wear are dresses and skirts also ps all dresses are the same all skirts are the same' - there is like an INSANE amount of variation, it's just that with menswear the options are more towards the lines of details and cuts / fits / trim and so on.

I think a lot of people tend to mistake like what's COMMON for guys and what's seen as normal for guys as what is actually out there for guys to wear - most dudes aren't into fashion at all but for those who are, there's a stupid amount of stuff to get into. And I mean take it from me, but even just the matter of shoes alone, holy SHIT, so much to take into, there are so many TYPES of dress shoes and each is appropriate only in some circumstances and so on...

also a lot of the time if you're a guy who's super into fashion you get called super gay, which is slightly frustrating, maybe you just like details and nice craftsmanship - but there's already an entire subuculture around beards, so of COURSE there'd be entire groups of guys dedicated to fashion and looking good, they're just far more niche / fringe and much less visible than women who are into the same

I'm not saying 'you can wear yellow spandex if you want to', I'm saying there IS a lot of stuff you can do that is still totally work appropriate and fashionable, just not being aware of that or most guys not really caring about it or bothering to doesn't mean it's not out there. There's so much less pressure on guys to be fashionable or to look into fashion - probably a NEGATIVE pressure, because it's seen as less manly or something, I don't know - but 'guys are generally encouraged to dress in more boring staid clothes and this is seen as more culturally acceptable' isn't the same as 'so those fashion options outside the norm don't exist'. They do, they're just much less visible unless you're actually into that sort of thing.

Re: Male clothing

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I am a man, and one who's worked hard over the years to cultivate a distinctive, attractive, and memorable personal style. With the awareness that dressing like I do means that a whole bunch of professional and social doors are simply closed to me as a result.

I can identify a hand-stitched vs. machine-stitched suit jacket from a block away. I have firm opinions on the value of double-breasted vs. single-breasted. I prefer peaked lapels to notch lapels but I think shawl lapels should be in greater use. I know eight different tie knots and I don't even wear ties. I actually wrote the most popular article about men's hats of the last couple years.

So yes, I'm aware of the variations you speak of, but I don't think they count as actual diverse options. When your options for personal expression are down to the shape of the collar points on your mandatory white dress shirt, I'm going to go ahead and say that yes, your options are limited.

To put it another way, you can subdivide the floor of your cell into hundreds of separate spaces, give them each a name, and play out complicated games with them, but it's still a cell.

Re: Male clothing

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

So am I! By which I mean, also a guy, and to be honest I can't identify a hand-stiched vs machine-stiched suit jacket at all and I frankly don't care to. I have basically no opinions regarding ties, shirts, suits or whatever besides hey! That's a thing that other people wear.

But frankly you're doing exactly what I pointed out - going 'look men being unique / fashionable isn't as socially acceptable as women are' but then being like 'SO MEN DONT HAVE FASHION' which is, you know, pretty wrong.

I mean I'm not disagreeing with you here about what the situation with regards to fashion choices is like! I think your points are really super salient. But you're bitching about your workplace / society in general not being accepting which is really much more of a complaint about SPACES than it is a complaint about LACK OF OPTIONS BEING THERE. You know the options are there for nice distinctive fashionable shit, I know the options are there. If you had gone 'yeah most menswear in most places is drab because that's what the enforced norms are' I'd totally be on board. What you're doing is way more like going 'I can't have the options / my options in my position are limited, therefore no one has options'.

Like - sigh your entire rant is like IF I WEAR STUFF THAT ISNT SOCIALLY CONFORMING PEOPLE THINK IM WEIRD and yes I do think people are WRONG to think that's weird and it SHOULDNT be thought off as weird, but then you go 'and that means men dont have fashion options' which is where I find a problem. It's not like women don't face the same thing too, women being butch and super masculine at work have much the same kind of stigma being tossed on them, it's pretty bullshit either way. They ARE allowed range and variety... as long as it's feminine and pretty.

So you know, I don't disagree with your points, I disagree with your conclusions. There ARE options, you're wrong to say there aren't options, they just aren't appropriate in most situations. The problem is people's attitudes towards most of the options. There's like a huge biker culture / punk culture / whatever, but just because you can't wear that at work doesn't mean you can't wear those or buy those at all ever. Which is pretty much what you were saying in your first post. Critique the lack of options in professional menswear all you want, but don't slam all of it in general for your own situation being sub-optimal.

TL;DR: Lack of options for professional work wear is not lack of options entirely. And work standards apply to all genders - if you're implying that a woman in leopard print leggings and a tanktop and flipflops with bright green hair can walk in and get a white collar job you are wrong.

Re: Male clothing

[kallanda_lee]

But you already touched upon a few things - it's actually not that easy for men to look fashionable while a) on a budget and b) not going for the hipster look, c) not wanting to look like they're going to a gay club or d) if they do not have teenage bodies anymore.

And, being in a relationship with a guy who likes nice clothes, I find it really noticeable how often he get comments on it (good and bad) and the saddest thing is maybe that some people think I pick out his clothes.

Re: Male clothing

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I would totally agree with that! But all of the points you're raising are 'wow society SUCKS when it comes to how it views men's fashion to the point that it's hard to be fashionable and awesome for most people'. My point is that yes, yes, all true, but that doesn't mean that fashion options don't exist or that men's clothes are all boxy and drab, because they do, and they aren't. It's just much harder - not due to lack of options but due to how people get about all those options, which is real shame if you ask me.

Re: Male clothing

[kallanda_lee]

Well, not all of it is society (though I do in part agree) - but it's also acquiring the clothes.

Just as an example: I'm a woman who is not average size, both taller and heavier than the target audience of most clothes stores.

Yet, I could still within a reasonable budget, find a reasonably cute outfit if I went shopping for day.


I've been shopping with my bf - and it's a nightmare. I mean seriously, he has trouble finding socks that aren't drab - SOCKS, ffs.

And if you're young, tall and thin - then as a guy you can still find nice-ish clothes in places like H&M.

But if you're not fashion-model shaped, it does get harder to find things that fit well and look good.

Last year the bf got this - well, I don't know what to call it - it was like a hoodie without the hood, but with a sort of cool collar with buckles and stuff. It's gorgeous, and it suits him - but it was like a 100 euro, which is more than I'd spend on a coat, or a whole summer outfit put together - including shoes.

I know what you are saying, and not completely denying it, but it's not just society - it's also access. As a man, you'll have to look harder and pay more - basically you'll need to go to specialty stores that are also more expensive.

Re: Male clothing

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I know, I am a dude and I'm also a dude who's way shorter than average so let me assure you when it comes to having a shit of a time finding clothes to buy I am probably king of that. Or something!

My point is that in the original OP, the issue was 'why are mens clothes all boxy and drab ugh' and the thing is they aren't at all! Yes, finding / acquiring nice stuff can be, but it's totally out there and reasonably easy once you know how - I like ordering online a lot and mostly have given up on finding things in stores because blogshops are totally where it's at for casual stuff.

I'm totally okay with people being like 'ugh why are most men wearing boring clothes' and I will be like the first to explain how come it's so fucking hard sometimes to find things that aren't, but saying that those options aren't there or that you can't really get at them is a little disingenuous! That's how I feel about it, anyway. There are so many awesome people who are making and wearing awesome clothes and looking super fly, so it sort of sucks when people are like 'nah they don't exist' or imply as much.