[ SECRET POST #2879 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2879 ⌋

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Comments

[nayance]

I feel like the term queerbaiting, while it could have some merit as a term, has been bastardized to the point that yeah, like you said, people are using it when they're just pissed about their ship.

Which isn't to say that's what I think it is all the time, and in certain circumstances I do genuinely think it'd make more sense to just come out and say, "Yep, these two are gay." But I think as a term it's been pretty bastardized.

I'm also a huge fan of really close platonic relationships, and while I sometimes ship them, I oftentimes am more than happy for them to stay platonic in canon. And I sort of resent the implication that these really close relationships are queerbaiting.

[(Anonymous)]

And I sort of resent the implication that these really close relationships are queerbaiting

Yeah, I'm honestly starting to think that some people on tumblr have never had a single friend in their life. I've already seen a lot of people scream that Fitz and Mack from AoS are totally queerbaiting people. Really? How up your own ass do you have to be to think that?

[(Anonymous)]

There are some canonically platonic relationships that are given deliberate amounts of subtext in order to appeal to the fans, though. And some get even more of that treatement once their creators realize the ship is a thing.

That's how I'd define queerbaiting, as opposed to "These two are really close, it must be queerbaiting!"

[(Anonymous)]

how dare they pander to their audience like any other intelligent person would?

[(Anonymous)]

I'd call pandering manipulative and shallow more than intelligent, personally.

[(Anonymous)]

da

Eh, it's pretty good business sense. Kind of like how boybands will write ambiguous love songs so that their fans can easily insert themselves into them and how they'll act flirtatiously so that they can continue to fuel fans' fantasies. They obviously aren't really in love with a million teenage girls, they just know how to keep people interested. If you find something that your fanbase is really interested in, then it makes sense to to do more of it.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Oh, I don't disagree that it makes great business sense, which is why it happens in the first place.

But it's also incredibly easy and lazy and patronizing, and I can't equate that with "intelligent"

[(Anonymous)]

It's not pandering, it's false hope and tends to lose you more fans in the long run.

[(Anonymous)]

Does it really, though? It doesn't look like, say, a significant amount of Sherlock fans have jumped ship because John/Sherlock never became a thing. Most of the time the people talking about how they'll never watch the evil queerbaiting show again are back the next week shipping and complaining like usual.

[nayance]

Yeah, and I do believe it's a thing that exists, but not to the extent that some people think it is.

(I also think there's a spectrum for how serious the infraction is, but that's another matter.)

[(Anonymous)]

I've never understood this argument. The very definition of "queerbaiting" implies knowledge on the part of the showrunners/writers about the pairing and supposedly deliberately piling it up full of subtext to keep the fans coming back for more. But on what basis can one state with complete accuracy that TPTB of the show are writing things to deliberately make fans believe the pairing could be canon vs. just writing a close relationship between characters that they saw nothing non-platonic about and fandom is just jumping to conclusions because no one could POSSIBLY have a different interpretation of an interaction between two characters.

Moreover, since when do TPTB care about a "queer" audience? Wouldn't they want to make sure that audience found nothing to relate to in their show, since they're so "homophobic"? That makes more sense than purposefully luring unsuspecting queer viewers with the promise of more than subtext because ????

[(Anonymous)]

Then I'm guessing you've never seen Supernatural.

[(Anonymous)]

Or Xena.

[(Anonymous)]

It's been acknowledged by the SPN PTBs that they've played with the subtext for shits and giggles. They just didn't know that it might actually result in hurt feelings.

There are many ways of being homophobic, and not all of them involve hating everything queer, rawr.