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I agree that arguments about representation and queerbaiting are mostly pretty specious reasoning in the context of dumb ship arguments

but good lord do I fucking love Shaw/Root. and I can get how some people would get too enthusiastic about it. a forgivable crime imo

Oh I would be so utterly salty if the show went out of its way to trample all the subtext and my canonically deny my jolly fantasies about those Root and Shaw sitting in a train k.i.s.s.i.n.g. &heart;
This is the only thing in the fandom world I'd bring out the chunky kosher salt for >:U

Anywho, stop hanging out with losers.
eta: I never bother to correct grammar and spelling garbage in my comments when I fuck up, but I'm especially not going to as a point. A total point about how even just mentioning the jossing got me all niggly inside to my fingertips. See what you did 8(

Edited (laying down some extra blahs) 2014-11-21 00:34 (UTC)

I agree with this post

i agree with it so hard

Ugh, fucking "queerbaiting". It's pretty much lost all meaning (for Christ's sakes, Nick Jonas is being accused of queerbaiting now)

Well given the Jonas brothers are christian...

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That's kind of ignorant. To his credit, Nick Jonas has been openly welcoming of his gay fanbase and says that he appreciates their support (he even called out other male artists for not embracing their gay fanbase). I guess you could argue that it's an act, but I don't think there's really any reason to assume so.

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Actually, now that I think about it more closely I'm not sure what you were trying to say. The ayrt said that Jonas is being accused of queerbaiting and you pointed out that he was christian and I'm...not entirely sure what you're getting at. How does his christianity affect queerbaiting? Are you saying that he may be deeply closeted due to his religion and that he's not queerbaiting, he's just gay? Or are you saying that he's obviously not queerbaiting because he's Christian and is therefore too homophobic to even think of doing such a thing?

I feel like the term queerbaiting, while it could have some merit as a term, has been bastardized to the point that yeah, like you said, people are using it when they're just pissed about their ship.

Which isn't to say that's what I think it is all the time, and in certain circumstances I do genuinely think it'd make more sense to just come out and say, "Yep, these two are gay." But I think as a term it's been pretty bastardized.

I'm also a huge fan of really close platonic relationships, and while I sometimes ship them, I oftentimes am more than happy for them to stay platonic in canon. And I sort of resent the implication that these really close relationships are queerbaiting.

And I sort of resent the implication that these really close relationships are queerbaiting

Yeah, I'm honestly starting to think that some people on tumblr have never had a single friend in their life. I've already seen a lot of people scream that Fitz and Mack from AoS are totally queerbaiting people. Really? How up your own ass do you have to be to think that?

There are some canonically platonic relationships that are given deliberate amounts of subtext in order to appeal to the fans, though. And some get even more of that treatement once their creators realize the ship is a thing.

That's how I'd define queerbaiting, as opposed to "These two are really close, it must be queerbaiting!"

how dare they pander to their audience like any other intelligent person would?

I'd call pandering manipulative and shallow more than intelligent, personally.

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It's not pandering, it's false hope and tends to lose you more fans in the long run.

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Yeah, and I do believe it's a thing that exists, but not to the extent that some people think it is.

(I also think there's a spectrum for how serious the infraction is, but that's another matter.)

I've never understood this argument. The very definition of "queerbaiting" implies knowledge on the part of the showrunners/writers about the pairing and supposedly deliberately piling it up full of subtext to keep the fans coming back for more. But on what basis can one state with complete accuracy that TPTB of the show are writing things to deliberately make fans believe the pairing could be canon vs. just writing a close relationship between characters that they saw nothing non-platonic about and fandom is just jumping to conclusions because no one could POSSIBLY have a different interpretation of an interaction between two characters.

Moreover, since when do TPTB care about a "queer" audience? Wouldn't they want to make sure that audience found nothing to relate to in their show, since they're so "homophobic"? That makes more sense than purposefully luring unsuspecting queer viewers with the promise of more than subtext because ????

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I think it would be hard for anyone to accuse the show of queerbaiting considering no one on the show is in a relationship (and in fact the remnants of a relationship, Harold/Grace, put everyone in peril). The show isn't about romance, it's about trying to avoid dying every single second while still trying to save the Irrelevants and, oh yeah, attempting to stop a Mass Casualty Event looming on the horizon. It's like a televised game of DeathSims. Or maybe Frogger. But I do hope Root and Shaw do give us a solid sign there's something between them. Just a kiss or a comment will do. Then I can imagine them scheduling clandestine meetings at rest stops on the Jersey Turnpike (where the surveillance cameras are conveniently burnt out).

I don't know who would be crowing about what other shows, but please remember, OP, this isn't a competition. We all want everyone to get their canon rep.

To be honest, I doubt most showrunners and actors even know what queerbaiting IS. They just see a lot of fandom emphasis on a particular ship, think it's funny, and play along for a bit.

But when it comes to the Serious Business of Shipping, it's very much a case of "give them an inch and they'll take a mile." Any playing around on the behalf of the creators/actors will immediately be interpreted as CANON by the hardcore shippers, who will then retaliate when that turns out to not be the case.

So then the show/actors (I've personally seen it among those involved in Teen Wolf and Merlin) will be taken aback by the vehemence of the backlash and immediately cut down on "shipping fuel". So everyone's back to square one.

Wow, your a bitch.

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I think we know the same people, OP. I'm right there with you.

I have no idea what fandom this is, but yeah... queerbaiting.

It's a legitimate thing that exists, and several shows are guilty of it. But it is not "I personally think this is slashy so if it isn't made canon that's obvs queerbaiting!" It's so obnoxious that people misuse it that way, because it's a real problem when it DOES happen.

Person of Interest, characters are Shaw and Root, and it's relevant because it's not queerbaiting, in the sense that everyone involved has been pretty upfront about the fact that they are, in fact, flirting with each other.

I'll never get the Swan Queen queerbaiting thing. Aurora/Mulan, yeah, maybe. But Swan Queen is the produc of delusions which currently in the fandom are causing some really disgusting behaviour towards characters who do not deserve it and consequently behaviour towards those characters' actors which should be punishable by law imo.

Yep. TPTB themselves admitted it was unintentional aka the OPPOSITE of queerbaiting. That people ran with it and were entitled enough to expect it to become canon just because they wanted to is their own damn problem.

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