[ SECRET POST #2882 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2882 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, though, are the Marvel movies/superhero movies any more immature than, say, Star Wars or Indiana Jones or Lord of the Rings?

Lord of the Rings, especially, is SO morally black and white that it's basically a fairytale (not that that's a bad thing, mind you).

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree (wrt Lord of the Rings, but not wrt Indiana Jones, Star Wars, other pulpy things)

Lord of the Rings certainly is a series that's written from the perspective that there's a good and an evil side, but I'd argue it's nuanced enough in its understanding of what those things consist of so that you can't really say it's black and white in the way a fairytale is. I don't think that believing in an absolute morality necessarily makes you childish (whether or not you agree with that view).

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree regarding Lord of the Rings, quite frankly.

I think even the Marvel films have a more nuanced morality.

There's no nuance in Lord of the Rings when it comes to evil (you can argue the good side does have some though) but there are literally entire evil RACES in the Lord of the Rings films. Sauron, orcs, etc -- there's nothing nuanced about them. They're pure evil that are meant to be annihilated with no regard for the fact that they're lives.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

I would argue that they're nuanced in why they're evil, what it means for them to be evil, how being evil manifests in their actions, and especially in how the heroes and other characters see that and react to it.

Again, yes, it's true that at the end of the day Sauron is p much pure evil, and there's not really any way you can look at Sauron and say "well, but from his perspective he's good" or something, but I think it's still nuanced in other ways. Especially when you look at the broader surroundings of Middle-Earth. And definitely, I think, a good amount of meaningful nuance on the side of good.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

SA - like, I don't see how you can look at Gollum, and the role that he plays in the series, and then say "yeah, there's just no nuance in Lord of the Rings"

just to pick one specific example

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

Because Gollum isn't really about choice. He's become a slave to the ring which I feel removes a lot of the interest in the character. Since the ring can make decisions and is tied to Sauron. It's not so much the notion of "power corrupts" but that a weak person is being bent to the will of a much more powerful one. Which is much less compelling to me.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

But characters have a lot of different reactions to the ring, which is kind of what I'm saying - the interaction of good and evil is interesting and nuanced. And I don't think it's simple enough to say he's a slave to Sauron - I think it's in many ways Gollum's own choices that lead him to the state where he was able to be overpowered by the ring, and even after the fact, he's still an independent agent in many ways.

And, I mean, this is a series where the hero fails in his quest, and it's only because of Gollum that Sauron loses.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Yeah, exactly. Absolute morality isn't a good thing since it can be used to justify some awful viewpoints-and saying some groups are evil just because doesn't do anything to address what causes evil (it's not just weak people). People always bring up Gollum, but a big theme in Tolkien is that "weaker" people get corrupted and I'm against that. Plus, any character people mention who aren't morally black and white (Gollum, Boromir, Denethor) all die. That doesn't say there's much forgiveness, since they all get narratively punished.