[ SECRET POST #2885 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2885 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Avengers]


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[Terminator: Genisys]


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[Red Dwarf]


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[Gracepoint/Broadchurch]


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[Doctor Who]


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[All The President's Men]


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[The Great Mouse Detective]


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[Supernatural]


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[Transformers: Prime]












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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/7UTFGs8.jpg
[The Great Mouse Detective]

[siofrabunnies]

Also, the Watson is a bumbling fool.

However, and this is the reason it still ranks high on my list: Rattigan.

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC, it's based off the Basil Rathbone version of Sherlock Holmes, so it's Nigel Bruce as Dumb!Watson. A shame. I agree, Rattigan is a gloriously over the top villain, though.

[sparklywalls]

I actually quite like his villain song.

Also him going legit crazy feral in the showdown is cool.

[(Anonymous)]

The finale transformation is amazing, and legitimately scared the ever-loving shit out of little!me. He goes from "I'm going to smile and snipe charmingly while leaving you in a quaint deathtrap" to "I'm going to tear you to pieces and throw your body the mouse-equivalent of five miles off a tower, hold still."

I mean, part of it's little!me in the back of my head, but Rattigan still gets the 'scariest Moriarty award' in my book.

[sarillia]

I get annoyed at the bumbling Watsons but at least they're enthusiastic, and this one is my favorite of the lot. They bothered me much more before BBC's Sherlock.

[(Anonymous)]

I automatically downgrade any adaptation that uses Jam Watson. Even the campily fun Young Sherlock Holmes, in which we learn that Watson's deep dark secret vulnerability is LITERALLY JAM.

[(Anonymous)]

I have not seen this movie in over a decade and my brain still immediatel sang "Oh Rattigan!"

[(Anonymous)]

I guess we look for different things in Sherlock Holmes adaptations. I think it's best because they're mice.

[(Anonymous)]

It's charming and amusing. Isn't Sherlock supposed to be a jerk? I can't remember an adaptation where he isn't at least slightly socially inappropriate.

[(Anonymous)]

Actual ACD Holmes has very little tact or patience, and is very much a "the ends justify the means" type, which can lead to him being very manipulative and using people if he thinks it's for the greater good. He's also a show-off, at least in front of Watson, and will occasionally jerk people around for the sake of being able to better pull off the dramatic reveal. (Some will say that's just lazy writing on Doyle's part, but I say we base our character analysis on the canon we have, not the canon we wish we had.)

He's also smart and strong, occasionally very kind, reasonably open-minded for the era, and very quick to apologize once he realizes he's fucked up. And has amazing hands, if Watson is to be believed ;). (Seriously, Watson spends a ridiculous amount of time describing the man's hands in loving detail.)

[(Anonymous)]

There is a very large gap between "socially inappropriate" and "jerk". 'Sherlock' is a jerk, which is why he can never be Holmes.

[(Anonymous)]

There are degrees. ACD Holmes isn't an asshole for the fun of it, and he can and does exert himself to be charming because he wouldn't be able to do his job properly if he was socially inappropriate all the time. It's more quirky, eccentric and more focused on results than niceties than straight up jerk, though he has his moments where he messes up royally. Like anon above mentioned, I chalk that up to sloppy writing and some rampant classicism of the era on ACD's part, he got notoriously lazy as the stories went on.

Grenada Sherlock Holmes is, IMO, the closest to ACD Holmes.

RDJ Holmes is also kind of a jerk, but patterned after RDJ himself as most his roles are these days.

BBC Sherlock is a jerk for teh lulz, because the creator/writers think it's funny.

[queerwolf]

I haven't seen it since I was a kid. I loved it though.

[(Anonymous)]

I also rewatched it recently but wasn't disappointed. Yes, Basil was a jerk sometimes, but unlike BBC, I feel like the story didn't celebrate him for it, and he was shown feeling bad later and awkwardly apologizing iirc. Which makes a huge difference - Basil is brilliant and impatient and went too far, but he still cares about his effect on other people.

[(Anonymous)]

That's how I remember it too. There was a lot of emphasis put on having him feel bad for things he did, and IIRC by the end of the movie it seems like he's grown to truly respect Watson/Dawson.

[othellia]

This. BBC Sherlock glorifies him being an asshole. It's a mental power fantasy.

The Great Mouse Detective just likes being a fun romp with an over-the-top villain and a super cocky hero.

[(Anonymous)]

I watched this film two or three years ago, so I didn't have nostalgia goggles and it holds up remarkably well. But I still get how OP's feeling. I remember re-watching Rugrats in Paris recently (the rugrats were a childhood obsession) and finding it absolutely terrible. It's quite jarring when your kiddy favorites aren't as good as you remember.

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno, I feel that Basil's attitude is pointed out and made to be an unlikeable trait as opposed to some that make it a positive one.

That said, I quote "I don't know, but he had a peg leg!" all the time

[(Anonymous)]

Why don't you try the Basil of Baker Street books that the movie was based on, op? They follow the ACD tradition instead of the Rathbone-Bruce dynamic, and they're super-cute.

(Mind you, I love The Great Mouse Detective, but it's definitely very different from the books.)

[inkdust]

Hmm. I didn't realize it was meant to be a Holmes adaptation for a pathetic number of years, so I don't even think of them as being those characters. And I always saw the whole point of him being such a jerk as an easy way to offer him the opportunity for character growth at the end.

[(Anonymous)]

Does everyone really still think BBC's Sherlock is a jerk? And his behavior is glorified? In S1 definitely, occasionally in S2. But even then he recognized when he went wrong and apologized. And he's definitely different in S3.

It might just be that I enjoy watching jerks, but sometimes I wonder if people who claim he's such a horror have seen the latest episodes.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, we do and yes we have. Tube train carriage scene? Horrifyingly cruel and no, nothing at all like canon before you try that one. S 3 chiefly consists of ham-fisted attempts at woobifying him which the more gullible fans have swallowed hook, line and sinker because they like to think of him as a poor, misunderstood, hard-done-by, probably autistic, definitely queer, genius with whom for some reason they identity and/or fancy and for whom all is excused.

Don't even get me started on Mary Morstan.

[(Anonymous)]

I like Sherlock and I just don't bother commenting here where hating it is a herd policy and aggressively hating it is even more rad.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I have, and yes, I still think he's a jerk. Season 3 was, as above anon said, an attempt to make him all cuddly for the fangirls, but honestly? I don't think anyone but the fangirls bought it, and they didn't need convincing, anyway.