[ SECRET POST #2885 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2885 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Avengers]


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[Terminator: Genisys]


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[Red Dwarf]


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[Gracepoint/Broadchurch]


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[Doctor Who]


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[All The President's Men]


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[The Great Mouse Detective]


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[Supernatural]


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[Transformers: Prime]












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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's charming and amusing. Isn't Sherlock supposed to be a jerk? I can't remember an adaptation where he isn't at least slightly socially inappropriate.

[(Anonymous)]

Actual ACD Holmes has very little tact or patience, and is very much a "the ends justify the means" type, which can lead to him being very manipulative and using people if he thinks it's for the greater good. He's also a show-off, at least in front of Watson, and will occasionally jerk people around for the sake of being able to better pull off the dramatic reveal. (Some will say that's just lazy writing on Doyle's part, but I say we base our character analysis on the canon we have, not the canon we wish we had.)

He's also smart and strong, occasionally very kind, reasonably open-minded for the era, and very quick to apologize once he realizes he's fucked up. And has amazing hands, if Watson is to be believed ;). (Seriously, Watson spends a ridiculous amount of time describing the man's hands in loving detail.)

[(Anonymous)]

One of my favourite tactless!Holmes moments was in Norwood Builder:

MacFarlane: "For Heaven's sake don't abandon me, Mr Holmes! If they should come to arrest me before I have finished my story, make them give me time so that I may tell you the whole truth."
Holmes: "Arrest you! This is really most grati-- most interesting. On what charge do you expect to be arrested?"

... Nice save, Holmes. Truly.

He is a genuinely kind and just man a lot of the time, though, and a fairly decent hand at comforting people. He just has this tendency of treading on people's finer feelings in order to get to the meat of things the faster, sometimes very, very badly.

[(Anonymous)]

There is a very large gap between "socially inappropriate" and "jerk". 'Sherlock' is a jerk, which is why he can never be Holmes.

[(Anonymous)]

There are degrees. ACD Holmes isn't an asshole for the fun of it, and he can and does exert himself to be charming because he wouldn't be able to do his job properly if he was socially inappropriate all the time. It's more quirky, eccentric and more focused on results than niceties than straight up jerk, though he has his moments where he messes up royally. Like anon above mentioned, I chalk that up to sloppy writing and some rampant classicism of the era on ACD's part, he got notoriously lazy as the stories went on.

Grenada Sherlock Holmes is, IMO, the closest to ACD Holmes.

RDJ Holmes is also kind of a jerk, but patterned after RDJ himself as most his roles are these days.

BBC Sherlock is a jerk for teh lulz, because the creator/writers think it's funny.

[(Anonymous)]

"I chalk that up to sloppy writing and some rampant classicism of the era on ACD's part, he got notoriously lazy as the stories went on."

Are you referring just to the Holmes stories or to all of ACD's work? I can't speak for all of his work as I haven't read it all, but I know that he got to the point where he detested Holmes and Holmes stories, so if you just mean lazy writing in Sherlock Holmes, "lazy" might be the wrong word. Apathetic, maybe? Irritated and just writing to finish and not actually caring about the product?

I mean, the whole reason for Reichenbach is ACD's way of saying, "I'M GOING TO END THIS!" and then he had to make him come back because of fans and publishing pressure, so I can imagine him just kind of stabbing the paper while he wrote or angrily mumbling to himself and like half the draft is insults, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

He was INCREDIBLY sick of Holmes after a while. Some of the later stuff reads like the text version of Robert Pattinson's commentary track on Twilight.

[(Anonymous)]

I suppose it depends on your point of view. Even disliking your creation and being sick of the stories, well, phoning it in seems lazy to me. Write the stories or don't, but why write them and not put in the effort? He recycled plots too, which is hard to interpret as anything but lazy.

[(Anonymous)]

"but why write them and not put in the effort?"

Because artistic integrity don't pay the bills? Sherlock Holmes was basically ACD's job, and he doesn't seem to have been at all romantic about his writing. Might have had something to do with watching his father drink himself to death over his failed painting career while his mother tried to keep the family from starving.

[(Anonymous)]

ACD was one of the highest paid authors of his time, partly because he raised his prices for more Holmes stories after he got tired of writing them, and publishers agreed to his fees. So it's not like it was down to a choice between writing more Sherlock Holmes vs. starving in the gutter at that point in his career.

Besides, if you rely on something to pay your bills, that's a stronger argument for trying to do a good job. Phoning it in when you need the money badly is dumb.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed on Grenada Holmes being the closest to ACD Holmes.

RDJ Holmes has the "social inappropriateness" dialed all the way up to "social incompetence," and I think that most of his jerkiness is a combo of that and poor impulse control.

BBC Sherlock glories in being a jerk, because apparently, in BBC Sherlock Land, being a decent human being is a consolation prize for being dumb.