[ SECRET POST #2888 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2888 ⌋

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Comments

[kaijinscendre]

I don't think he would have seen it? He was unconscious when he got there. And other than that brief "escape" he has not been out of the dungeon.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

He didn't SEE the sigil somewhere, he IS it. The Boltons historically flay their prisoners on a frame like that. I say historically because iirc, they don't openly do it now, they use its reputation as a threat. But of course it still does go on on the down-low, same as them still practicing lords' "first night" rights.

In the show, Theon should understand immediately what is happening to him and where he is (or that his captor is attempting to convince him it is the Boltons involved). I'll accept his not knowing Ramsay's motivation (not because he betrayed Robb), but why guess the Umbers, Karstarks, etc. all before the Stark bannermen who famously tack people up and skin them?

This scene does not take place in the books (none of Theon's captivity is until a year+ after "killing" Bran and Rickon), and it never would. It just doesn't fit right in the setting; a high-born boy studies heraldry. Bran is even seen doing it with Maester Luwin in season 1, and it's even before Robb and Theon leave.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Though the Boltons may historically use a frame like that, it's a common torture device. I certainly didn't think twice upon seeing it. Its just part of standard dungeon equipment. I think the Boltons using it as their sigil is more "we will torture you because that's what we do, and were so badass we put it on our sigil" than a proprietary "this torture device is trademarked and can't be used by anyone by registered Boltons".

All serial killers drink water, but not everyone with a glass of water is a serial killer.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

DA (who's familiar with the show but not the later books)

Is it a common torture device within the world of the narrative though, or something the Boltons are more notorious than others for using?

You may not have thought twice about it, but would a character within that world (assuming they were of their right mind and could even tell what they were tied up to -- I personally don't think Theon has the wherewithal in that scene to know at all, rendering OP's complaint sort of redundant)? E.g. would a Theon who hadn't just endured everything he had make the connection, or is the method common enough throughout the world of the series that he wouldn't?

Every reference I rememember when it comes to the flaying etc. seems to comes with a reference to the Boltons. I don't remember anything similar being used by anyone else.

I guess I'm just asking whether the reader/viewer and the character would be seeing the significance in the same way.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

You know, here's my problem with this. There have been times, when I've been sleep-deprived or really sick or, hell, even just really hungry, where my brain hasn't been functioning properly. Things I'm normally able to do with little effort have become difficult, and I've had trouble accessing memories and information.

Considering what Theon had already been through by the time he was strung up, it's not hard for me to believe that it'd take some coaxing for him to be able to put two-and-two together.