[ SECRET POST #2888 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2888 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Alternative to the Bechdel Test?

[(Anonymous)]

How would you count have to be a woman though? Would the only token female on a team count? And when is someone only there to be the girlfriend as opposed to only there to be the boyfriend?

Re: Alternative to the Bechdel Test?

[(Anonymous)]

I would say that if the majority of a character's screen time/character arc revolves around a romantic relationship, then they're just there to be girlfriend, especially if it's at the expense of more interesting plot points.

Like, I love Leia, don't get me wrong, but it pisses me off that she's never shown reacting to Darth Vader being her father. She just seems to accept it, even though he tortured her twice and she has a far deeper history with him than Luke.

Instead, we have her dealing with Han and then reassuring him at the end that Luke's no competition. That's the kind of stuff I mean.

On the other hand, I wouldn't say that someone like Katara is presented as "the girlfriend" because even though Aang definitely has a crush on him (and she definitely likes him), it's not anywhere close to taking up the majority of her screen time and character arc.

Re: Alternative to the Bechdel Test?

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt, that's because George Lucas pulled the whole "sister" thing out of his ass in ROTJ. There was no foreshadowing, because it wasn't planned. He laid the groundwork for Luke being Vader's son, but that's it. And I know that he claims he had it planned all along, and he's full of it. No mention ever, even once, that Leia is adopted. Not the slightest flicker from ObiWan when the message is from Princess Leia? And yet we get shifty-eyed ObiWan when Luke asks how his father died? The, in retrospect, embarrassing scene where Leia kisses Luke? All of it unplanned, and whipped out because he decided didn't want Han or some unknown character to be "the other" and because Luke being Vader's son was hailed as such a twist.

So, in short, I'm not surprised we didn't get much of a Leia reaction to her parentage. Even though she somehow remembers her very beautiful but sad real mother.

Aargh! I have lots of feelings on this, apparently.

Re: Alternative to the Bechdel Test?

[(Anonymous)]

They're revealed to be siblings in ESB, not ROTJ. Leia does plant one on Luke earlier in the very same movie, though, but there's no way that's accidental.

I just assume Leia hasn't had a chance to fully process Vader being her father by the end of ROTJ. Maybe we'll get some insight into her feelings in the next one.

Re: Alternative to the Bechdel Test?

[(Anonymous)]

Um... what? There must be some other version of ESB that I did not see, or I slept through that part of the movie. The reveal is in ROTJ. Yoda dies, Ben's ghost comes along, sits down on a log, and tells Luke about his father, and then we get the big reveal.

Re: Alternative to the Bechdel Test?

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe this is one of those 'Greedo shot first', 'No, Han shot first' things.

Re: Alternative to the Bechdel Test?

[(Anonymous)]

In ESB, when Luke leaves Dagobah, Ben and Yoda have a brief conversation in which Ben says "that boy is our last hope," and Yoda looks up and says "no. There is another." That exchange is generally thought to foreshadow Leia being Luke's sister.