[ SECRET POST #2888 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2888 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Alternative to the Bechdel Test?

[(Anonymous)]

My issue is that if you have a main male character it very often causes failure due to the simple fact that if the main character is present, it often hampers women's discussions since he's going to be included or being talked about (not always, but quite often nonetheless).

Eh, I dunno about this, other male characters seem to manage to talk to other male characters (and female characters, for that matter) besides the hero, about things other than the hero, because there's almost always more than one male character on the speaking cast, so there's more opportunities for them to interact with each other in various small ways. Plus, there's that even with a female main character, stories still manage not to pass the Bechdel test far more often than they fail to have dudes interacting. There's much more hampering female interaction in media than who the star is.

With the example you give, none of those female characters actually needed to show up on screen or have speaking roles to serve their purpose as mothers and lovers. The bare minimum that media gets away with is much lower than that, if the number of movies where female characters die in a flashback to motivate the hero, or where the girlfriend's role consists of kissing the hero goodbye before his adventure, are any indication.