[ SECRET POST #2889 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2889 ⌋

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Comments

Re: "They're OBVIOUSLY gay!! *squee*"

[intrigueing]

Sadly no, I've seen some slashers (mostly TOS Kirk/Spock and Holmes/Watson, but other ships as well) trying to argue seriously that any explanation of their relationship "doesn't make sense" unless it's slash and going over the show in detail trying to prove it. See for example, The Ship's Closet or Laura Goodwin's interpretations on allyourtrekbelongto.us

These are mostly really embarrassing and disappointing because a) they blatantly stick their fingers in their ears and go "lalalalala!" ignoring that there are usually about 10 non-slash explanations for all the things they think are proof, and b) they ruin the opportunity for some really fun and awesome slashy readings of certain shows because all the readers/viewers with half a brain are going "well, no, that's not the only explanation..."

I mean, seriously, do you need some big long analytical dissertation trying to "prove" that ~straight guys are incapable of doing that~ in order to give you an excuse to enjoy how epically gay the backrub scene from "Shore Leave" is? It looks really gay! You don't need an excuse to say it looks really gay! And yes, it is possible for straight guys to do that, but that doesn't erase the gayness! Argh.

Re: "They're OBVIOUSLY gay!! *squee*"

[(Anonymous)]

Really? Because I never got the impression that they were saying it was the ONLY explanation. Just that it was certainly a possible one. And then building a case up on that.

Like your "Shore Leave" example, with the back rub scene -- sure it could be just a quick gag. But I do think it's interesting when you look at it in the context of having been written by a dude who did indeed write gay science fiction in the 50s and 60s.

I don't know -- maybe it's because I'm pretty embedded in the community. But I never got the impression that most people were saying you HAVE to see it this way or that this is the ONLY explanation. Mostly I just saw it as people getting excited over all the fodder. I know I certainly say things like "Urgh, you losers, you're so gay. And married." But I mean it affectionately and I don't actually think that the reading of them as gay is the only legitimate one. Just the one I happen to see.

Re: "They're OBVIOUSLY gay!! *squee*"

[intrigueing]

Yeah, mostly people do it your way. But I definitely have seen more than a few people claiming "they're gay!" was the only explanation -- or that other explanations were silly or stupid or blind or nonsensical, or mocking people who think otherwise, or mocking people who think there's more than one way to see things.

I don't mean things like saying "they're so gay!" - I'm sure most people can tell that's just a person's opinion. ;) I've said stuff like that myself too, I'm pretty sure. But I mean writing meta about how these are canonically queer characters who have been suppressed by their authors, and weird shit like that. O.O Or making up threads entitled "No Heterosexual Explanation Moments" and then laughing condescending about how anyone would bother to see anything otherwise.

But yeah, I've never gotten the impression the *majority* of fandom feels that way -- I hope I didn't accidentally imply that I did.

Re: "They're OBVIOUSLY gay!! *squee*"

[(Anonymous)]

OP of thread:

Yes, this is what I should have specified by my question, the mocking towards people who don't ship a pairing, or mocking people who don't think slash is the only possible way.

I have seen a lot of it in a couple of my fandoms, which is doubly sad because I kind of liked the ships, but people acting like you either have to believe in nothing but the ship or be against the ship is a big turn-off.

Re: "They're OBVIOUSLY gay!! *squee*"

[intrigueing]

I kind of liked the ships, but people acting like you either have to believe in nothing but the ship or be against the ship is a big turn-off.

Yeah, this is the case for me too, for multiple ships both het and slash (which is probably a big reason why I'm not much of a shipper.) Femslash tends to be a little better, though, I think...