[ SECRET POST #2889 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2889 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Also, preferring a slash pairing isn't sexism.

It is if you are deliberately pushing aside a female character to break up a canon het pairing just to get your two guys together.

[alexi_lupin]

No one can break up a canon pairing but the writers.

For myself, I am generally always more interested in the non-canon couples, because there's more room for what-ifs with those pairings. A lot of fandoms I'm in also have more male characters, and the male characters are often given more agency and complexity. That trend is absolutely a sexism thing. Imo we need more shows like Scott & Bailey where the women are complex characters. I think a preference for slash may be an effect of sexism in TV but I don't believe that preferring slash itself is a sexist act inherently. It could be, of course, but there's nothing inherently sexist about it.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Oh noes, how dare people not ship the canon pairing you like.

Most canon het pairings are actually pretty bland, sorry to say, and I ship everything. But if the dynamic doesn't do it for me, I don't fucking care.

Take your homophobia that you're justifying with this bullshit elsewhere.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Da
"Take your homophobia that you're justifying with this bullshit elsewhere."
Well, shit, where is anyone here being homophobic here?

I love how you get on that anon for sayin' "you are sexist (only) IF you do this" (if you don't do that why get defensive) and then you call ppl homophobes in this and other comments because..?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I think the homophobia is inherent in the idea that it is sexist to ship a slash pairing over a canon heterosexual ship. Because almost all popular media features the main character in a het romance. While there are almost no homosexual romances at all. So ayrt is basically telling people they can't ship slash if that is the case.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

homophobia

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Ayrt just made an example of when, specifically, slash fans can be sexist, they were not saying that all slash fans are sexist or that you shouldn't ship slash ships at all.
You are using a straw man argument to derail the topic and deny the fact that slash fans can be sexist. Supporting a minority doesn't make you unable to discriminate or be problematic about another.
You can't make an argument about how stupid it's to call all the slash fans sexist just b/c they don't like het when you are yourself randomingly using the word homophobic for the het fans for reasons that have nothing to do with homophobia.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I am not denying that slash fans can be sexist. They most definitely can be. But saying that it is sexist JUST to prefer a slash pairing over a canonical heterosexual one IS homophobic because, due to the prevalence of heterosexual relationships in popular media, you are by default basically saying it is wrong to slash at all.

Take Marvel for instance - all of the movie leads have heterosexual love interests which means that saying that it is sexist to slash them means that you are denying anyone the possibility of enjoying the depiction of a homosexual relationship.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what ayrt meant with "if you are deliberately pushing aside a female character", and maybe they should have made it more clear with some examples.
Neverthless, I think saying that is =/= saying "if you ship slash instead of het you're automatically sexist" maybe because, usually, 'pushing female characters aside' means belittling and/or deliberately writing the canon girlfriend out as insignificant for the sake of making another male character seem superior to them. It's writing them out of their scenes with their boyfriend just to make them about your ship instead.
It's saying that you find the idea of your fave cis male character loving a woman 'ridiculous' and impossible to believe, but you have no issues with other slash fans shipping him with other male characters even if it's not your ship either.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

But if you ship slash, then OF COURSE the female character is not going to feature as prominently as the characters that make up the slash pairing. But it is no more sexist than the people who write Zuko breaking up with Mai to be with Katara or Harry breaking up with Ginny to be with Hermione. If you call a female character slurs, for example, then yeah that is sexist. But just shipping slash over a canon het romance is not. To suggest that it is sexist in and of itself to break up a canon het couple because one prefers a slash ship, however, IS homophobic because you are prioitizing heterosexual relationships over homosexual ones and, given the prevalence of canon het relationships in fiction, you are further denying people the ability to enjoy the depiction of homosexual couples in fanfiction.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Did you even read the examples made?



IS homophobic because you are prioitizing heterosexual relationships over homosexual ones and, given the prevalence of canon het relationships in fiction, you are further denying people the ability to enjoy the depiction of homosexual couples in fanfiction.

It's none if that.
It's just saying that you can ship slash without having to pretend that the female character is nothing for her boyfriend or she's delusional or, the worst, insisting that the girlfriend must support your ship or die. It's the insistence that every scene is about your ship, even those where the male character is interacting with his girlfriend or even professing his love to her, because there is just no way he can care about a woman when he must have eyes only for this guy he just met or who is his friend.
That is pushing aside women in favor of another man and that can be sexist especially when it becomes a habit

Also, It seems that some people consider valid homosexual couples only those with gay men and ignore lesbians or the concept that the guys might be bi or pan.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

But there is nothing wrong with interpreting scenes in canon in support of your ship as long as you don't insist that it is the only legitimate interpretation. Harry and Hermione shippers do this all the time in support of their ship. It isn't suddenly sexist JUST because you do it for Harry and Draco rather than Harry and Hermione.

If you are bashing female characters then it is sexist. But looking for support for your ship is not. All shippers do it and to single out slash fans or femmeslash fans is homophobic.

[(Anonymous)]

So people have to like something just because it's canon?
Nah, people are allowed to have their preferences.

I can understand being upset if there was character bashing, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with shipping something that is not canon.

[(Anonymous)]

But it's not necessarily sexism even then? I'm not saying there's no sexism among slash shippers, because there definitely is, but there are cases where the source material develops a friendship between two dudes really well and then gives one of them a girlfriend who doesn't get much (or, in some cases, any) screen time. It's hard to blame people for preferring the ship that is actually shown interacting.

Now, if the shippers choose to demonize the girlfriend to justify their slash ship, that's where you have a problem (though I guess there's probably a canon or two out there where the girlfriend/wife is actually shown to abusive without the canon acknowledging that it's not what a healthy relationship looks like).

[(Anonymous)]

But...that's something non-canon shippers of all stripes do.

[(Anonymous)]

Then if I break up your canon het pairing to get my non-canon het pairing together (a thing that of course no one would ever do!), I guess I'm safe from these sexism charges. This reasoning is beyond stupid.