[ SECRET POST #2891 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2891 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Final Fantasy XIII]


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03.
[Cross Ange]


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04.
[Wentworth/Prisoner: Cell Block H]


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[Grant Morrison]


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06.
[Amy Jo Johnson/Power Rangers]


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07.
[Pacific Rim]


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08.
[Star Wars: The Force Awakens]


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09.
[Parks and Recreation]










Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/iG9Rlil.jpg
[Grant Morrison]

[(Anonymous)]

*nodding*

[insanenoodlyguy]

Oh come on, Frank Miller helped.

[(Anonymous)]

frank miller TOTALLY helped

[(Anonymous)]

So did Schumacher.

[otakugal15]

I liked Long Halloween and that REALLY surreal Arkham stand alone that I think he did.

Other than that, I've never read his work. Though I think Long Halloween was a Jeph Loeb thing...

[dethtoll]

He did not do Long Halloween.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, neither did you.

[dethtoll]

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Grant Morrison did not contribute in any way to the production of Long Halloween. I don't know what the fuck you're on about.

[(Anonymous)]

I wasn't contesting that, I was just saying you also didn't.

[(Anonymous)]

But I did. I did it all.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh. Well, I'm glad you are big enough to take responsibility. That speaks very well of you. I don't agree with your choices, but I wish you all the best.

[otakugal15]

Dude, reread the comment. I mentioned that I thought Jeph Loeb did that one.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like I want more description of this.

Though admittedly, Morrison's JLA run did establish the Omnipotent BatGod problem.

[dethtoll]

Male DC fan that isn't me detected.

I don't like Damian at all and Batman Inc. was impossibly compressed and incomprehensible, but Morrison's run on Batman was otherwise superb and Final Crisis (if we include that as part of the Batman mythos) remains my favourite DC event.

It's not my favourite run on Batman (Alan Grant, Greg Rucka, Scott Snyder ftw) but I absolutely love Morrison's work when his "I snorted China Mieville's skin cells" style is applied properly. Multiversity has been completely insane; Pax Americana is proof that if anyone has the right to rewrite Watchmen (and let's be real here, it deserves a rewrite) it's Grant Morrison.

Frank Miller is by far the worst thing to happen to Batman and to comics at large. There's no getting around the damage he did.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do things deserve a rewrite just because you are pompous?

[dethtoll]

I'm not going to dignify that question with an answer. Fuck off wanker.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not very nice at all.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I'm female actually. :) Morrison's run on Batman was for the most part enjoyable, but he's stuck the character and the Joker in an over the top characterization rut. Miller is awful too, of course, but Bat comics were still decent after his stuff.

Re: OP

[dethtoll]

You're seriously telling me that Snyder's Batman isn't great? I'm not a fan of the Court of Owls arc, but Death of the Family alone was the best, most disturbing Batman story I've read since David Lapham's City of Crime. And Zero Year gets big points for retconning the fuck out of The Killing Joke. (Too bad they kept the worst part of that story -- Barbara getting shot.) Let's be real here, if anyone's responsible for the Joker being anything more than a mostly harmless tickster, it's Alan Moore and Jim Starlin. Not Grant Morrison, not Scott Snyder. Not anyone else.

The reason I like Morrison's take on Batman is precisely the reason Morrison made Batman that way -- compared to the rest of the JLA he's just a guy in a suit, right? (It's why Guy Gardner's never taken him seriously.) Morrison likes big concepts and it's clear that he views the Justice League as a pantheon of sorts (much like his treatment of the New Gods) so how does Batman fit in? By being not just a prime specimen of humanity but by going beyond that. He doesn't have superhuman strength, but he's trained to peak perfection, but that's not his real skill -- his real skill is the use of his mind, he's a master tactician and knows the best way to place people where they need to be to be most effective. Superman may be the face of the team, Wonder Woman may be its fist, but Batman is the brains behind the action.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Scott Snyder isn't a bad writer per se, but he doesn't write the Bruce Wayne and Gotham City that I grew up on. I'm also damn tired of the always right super-human Batgod and Villain Sue Joker. I wasn't impressed with Death of the Family either. The idea of the Joker removing his face and wearing it as mask just made me roll my eyes.
I suppose we can agree to disagree on this.

[(Anonymous)]

:cough: Frank Miller got there long before.

OK, really, a lot of big names who've worked on Batman have messed it up somehow.

Denny pushed for more horror in what had been a lighter book.
Miller didn't really care about the characters that much, and did weird snarky fics for the money, but fans adore his versions undeservedly.
I love a lot about the Dixonverse, but Chuck had some weird obsessions. Bruce became dysfunctional on the one hand and overcompetent on the other.

I agree that stoner-boy's Talia is a freaking character assassination, and Damian is a bad fit in the mythos. But if it hadn't been Morrison, it'd have been a lesser writer like Pfeifer or Remender or Beechen.

[i_paint_the_sky]

I'm still mad at Morrison about killing Damien (not that I expect him to stay dead, assuming he hasn't already come back - I'm ridiculously far behind on my DC comic reading) but otherwise he doesn't seem to have done anything that bad. I ultimately just find him a little too weird most of the time though, so I'm much happier reading Snyder's Batman.

[dethtoll]

I think his weirdness works best outside of Batman. Final Crisis goes completely berserk very quickly and it's the best thing that could have happened to it. Multiversity has proven itself to be amazing and upsetting all at once. Doom Patrol was actually readable under his hand, and he actually made the Justice League credible "big guns" instead of just superheroes teaming up for something minor.

However, in terms of weirdness, nothing -- and I do mean nothing -- will ever top the unbridled insanity of China Mieville's Dial H. I really wish that got a better conclusion than it did.

[i_paint_the_sky]

I haven't read a lot of Morrison, to be honest. I read 52, but that was a group effort so not quite the same thing. I have read his Batman & Robin run though and I liked it a fair amount.

But then I read All-Star Superman, which everyone raves about ... and was just going huh a lot of the time. It certainly had its moments but for me there was just too much weirdness going on.