[ SECRET POST #2893 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2893 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Why would you want fandom to perpetuate something a harmful to a lot of people in fandom as the concept of gay conversion?

Because straight conversion? Not a thing. Gay conversion? Curing gays of that nasty homosexuality deviancy thing they've chosen so they can go on to be nice normal straights? A whole fucking industry, and if people don't enjoy seeing it in their fanworks then it's a whole lot more fucking justified than the reasons boo-hoo poor hets don't like slashers playing with their toys.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

1. If I had a nickel for every RL harmful idea and stereotype perpetuated in fanfic, I'd be ridiculously rich.

2. This has nothing to do with het shippers or slash shippers. WTF. Also, het shippers are not diametrically opposed to slash shippers.

3. I doubt anyone "wants fandom to perpetuate a harmful sterotype." Some people get off on fic that sexily portrays rape, or Stockholm Syndrome, or abusive relationships. Those are all bad things too, and those who write it normally don't believe it is a good thing if they're over 14 years old.

4. The trope of turning gay characters straight is REALLY REALLY RARE. I have never seen it once - the closest was a How I Met Your Mother RPF where Neil Patrick Harris got a crush on Cobie Smulders and was going "but, what, how can this be, I'm gay! I'm having character bleed!" It is so rare you really do not have to worry about "perpetuation of stereotypes." Because it is not a trope that really happens much. Anywhere. Ever.

[insanenoodlyguy]

From what I've seen, the vast majority of fanfic with slashing is not about finding representation. The average slash fan, while not opposed to representaiton, cares about 99% more about getting off to their slash fantasty then they do about getting representation.

So yeah, I don't really care if somebody's wank fuel goes the one way or the other on sexuality. I expect them to care about mine with similar apathy.

Do you really think 16 year old girls who want Sam and Dean to kiss in their wincest fanfic are really doing it for gay representation?

[(Anonymous)]

When I'm into a slash pairing, I'm 100% into it for the character dynamic but I also happen to look for greater LGBT representation in fiction. Not because gay = inherently interesting but because it's cool when stuff has different types of characters.

[insanenoodlyguy]

All the same, i wouldn't go through the endless frustration of holding others to that standard. Because your going to find it a lot less often. There's a lot of unapologetic PWP out there in the slash world as much if not more then the het.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but those are different things, aren't they?

I mean, at least for me, what I ship and what I take as representation are pretty much totally orthogonal.

[dysmaid]

This has been my experience, too, that the majority of slash shippers write the pairings they do primarily because they think it's hot. I don't doubt that appreciating character dynamics factors into it, too, since good chemistry (even if it's canonically platonic) makes for a compelling pairing. But I find it hard to believe that most slash shippers are motivated by the idea of "representation," (if you can even call incestuous Sam/Dean fic representational of healthy, normal homosexual relationships - personally, I wouldn't, and would find it insulting if the author claimed to be representing the LGBT community through that work.)

Plus, a lot of slash fics are explicitly sexual, and there's a whole category of PWP so you can read about (usually) two guys getting it on with no real context. I would argue that hypersexualizing gay relationships for the pleasure of readers just caters to the common, prejudiced perception of homosexuality being all about sex and sexual deviancy, and isn't helpful in terms of serious representation. Naturally there are mild, non-sexual slash stories, but they typically aren't as popular or widely read as the porn.

I think it's great when fans express their desire to see LGBT characters represented on their favorite shows - with so many creators and actors on Twitter, it's easier than ever to get the message out there. I just find it irritating when people try to claim their slash fanfiction functions as some kind of activism.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice stereotyping, there!

One of the reasons I hang around both slash and femslash spaces is that they give me a break from the relentless heteronormativity I have to deal with every day. No, they're not always realistic stories, sometimes they're downright wrong, but at least it's a change from seeing myself represented virtually nowhere in the mainstream media.

But no, you'd rather reduce us all to sixteen-year-old girls (which itself somewhat of an icky trope, that anything liked by teenage girls can just be written off as irrelevant, because teenage girls) who like an incest pairing.