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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-12-04 06:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #2893 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2893 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-12-05 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
it's not about "legitimizing homophobic beliefs," it's about being a reader with enough experience being told I can be turned straight that I can't divorce that harmful concept from fictional characters just because they're fictional. and I'm allowed to find people who use that fictional scenario gross.

so no, you've completely misread my concern.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-05 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
Buh.

Apparently I'm not understanding your concerns, no. It's tricky because there's so many things to dance around. But, like, I can completely understand why someone might not want to read it themselves. That, obviously, makes total sense. It's at the point where you (apparently? maybe? this is where the lines start getting blurry) want to launch a broader critique of it that you just absolutely lose me.

Here's where I'm coming from, I guess. To me, the idea of writing fanfiction where a gay character is straight has very little resemblance to the idea that the character can easily be turned straight. It's just as easy, to me, to imagine that you're writing an AU where the character has always been straight, or frankly a million other things. I can see why it could make someone think about conversion therapy and that kind of thing. But I don't think that's intrinsic to it. So the connection to the real-life concept of conversion therapy is, to me, extremely tenuous. Maybe some people are writing it in a pray-away-the-gay way, but I don't think that's the norm at all. Writing a gay character as straight, to me, has pretty much no connection whatsoever to whether the character is 'really' gay or not.

So I don't think that it's bad in itself - it's a bit of fantasy that's relatively divorced from those issues of representation etc. So if it's not bad in itself, then the reason to say it's bad is because it has bad effects. But as we both agree, it's not being used to legitimize homophobic beliefs. So I just don't see why it's bad or gross in and of itself, I guess. And I don't think that the fact that it makes you, specifically, and personally, think of conversion therapy makes it bad and gross and no one should write it.