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[ SECRET POST #2893 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2893 ⌋

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Ah, now that my ambiguously phrased secret has elicited the maximum about of anger and jumpiness...

Nah, actually, I don't condone reposting fan art. I've had my writing plagiarized before, so I know how irritating fandom theft can be. What I don't get is deleting your blog and quitting drawing over it. Don't you only do that if you have something to hide, like that person who was caught tracing?

Or the example that finally prompted this secret, where the artist went into meltdown and accused fans of an entire pairing of being thieves because someone in the fandom used their art as cover for a fanmix (with credit even).

I guess of the various replies above, the explanations that make the most sense were the ones that stated that likes and reblogs give the artists motivation to go on, and exposure is added opportunity to make a living. But neither of these jive with the act of deleting your blog; seems to me that's rather counterproductive.

I'd also like to note that Tumblr is chock full of photography posted with neither credit nor permission. The same people who would go nuts over their art being reposted (whether maliciously or simply out of ignorance) will happily reblog a "pretty photo" with no credit to the copyright owner. Some people even want credit for scanning things out of magazines. So really, none of us is all that innocent.

I'll never understand Tumblr's bullshit with photography vs fan art.

Photography is almost always legitimate, original art.

Fan art always involves some sort of theft.

Fan artists can certainly request that they be given credit and shoot down those who plagiarize their work, but to get upset for people sharing their work uncredited is the height of hypocrisy.

And tumblr itself should do more to protect photographers who are actually generating original art.

I agree that people should be sourcing photography.

But to claim that fanartists getting upset over uncredited posting of their work is "hypocritical" makes absolutely no sense.
Unless someone is going "HEY GUYS, DIS MY OC FROM MY ORIGINAL STORY!!", there's no hypocrisy present. If I post a fanart of Sonic the Hedgehog, you goddamned know that's Sonic the Hedgehog. There's no guesswork, and there's no assumption that I own the Sonic canon because people aren't (usually) that stupid.

Plus, especially on Tumblr, tags will generally immediately tell you what canon the fanart comes from, since people tag their shit with those series, because they want other fans to find the work.

Also, since we're nitpicking here about fanart being plagiarism, I'm going to go ahead and say that, unless you're taking completely original photography (that is, of nature, of things you actually made, of yourself, of abstract patterns and colors and shit that you arranged yourself), that photography can also qualify as "plagiarism" under such broad rules.

Oh? You took a photograph of a nice building? Motherfucker, you ain't built that shit. That's plagiarism.

You took a photo of a pretty park? Yeah, I'm sure the landscapers and the workers that maintain that place appreciate you taking all their credit just because your device can capture images.

You took a photo of someone wearing clothes you didn't make? Have some respect for the fashion designers. Stop stealing.

My point is, this mentality is stupid. People don't want credit for the original canon that fanart comes from. They just want credit for their actual work and the skills they've built up to create that work.
Just because I know what a character looks like, and just because someone else originally designed the concept, doesn't mean that shit magically appears on my paper.

I can see that, but don't you also think artists make a lot of fanart gain a bigger following than those who don't because there's already an existing fanbase for it. It's indirect and maybe unintentional, but they're still piggybacking off of someone else's IP.

This depends on the artist. Speaking personally, I make fanart just because I like the characters, I enjoy drawing them, and I want to see them in situations and styles that canon doesn't or wouldn't follow. Popularity doesn't factor into that.

It may make someone more popular, or it may not. But it's not competing for revenue with the original product (in most instances), and people aren't claiming the characters as theirs.
So this kind of argument just devolves into jealousy over the attention fanart gets versus original work.
Which still doesn't make it plagiarism. And still doesn't dismiss the time and effort one puts into fanart.

It's not jealousy -- it's the fact that it IS hypocritical. You're taking someone's intellectual property and, without contacting them, using it in a way that they haven't authorized.

How then can you be upset if someone takes your art and uses it in a way that you haven't authorized? Say, by reposting it somewhere without giving credit.

I don't think fan artists have a leg to stand on when it comes to that complaint, particularly if they are making money off that work.

"My point is, this mentality is stupid. People don't want credit for the original canon that fanart comes from. They just want credit for their actual work and the skills they've built up to create that work."

I agree with this.

To say that it is hypocritical, is like saying that creating any and all fanart in of itself is hypocritical. I'm pretty sure mangaka, companies and corporations don't consider likes and reblogs on tumblr as stealing their work. Likes and reblogs may lead to things like commission, but it is a far cry to say that they should be treated like legal currency. Their value is mostly providing gratification toward the artist and possible exposure to people who may request commissions.

I'm not sure exactly why some people like the Japanese will delete their websites altogether when uncredited stealing occurs, but it seems as though it is treated as original work even if the characters themselves are not original. You could also think of it like a cartoonist writing a satirical comic for a newspaper. They are borrowing the likeness of something else, maybe even something meant to resemble a trademark character, like say Mickey Mouse. They even get paid to do this.

That isn't necessarily true for fanartists though. It's a little unfair to assume that every popular fanartist is making money off of their fanart. Most do not. The main issue aside from things like commissions and exposure, is receiving credit. By saying it is hypocritical it is like saying that fanartists have no right to claim credit for the art they produce because it is of someone else's character, which doesn't quite make sense.

Try looking up the difference between "derivative work" and "rights of distribution."

Because they're two very separate things.

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